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channel estimation problem at low rate signaling

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Ali G. Dezfuli
Mon, Feb 17, 2014 1:57 PM

Hi,
I have a problem in channel estimation of a waveform with the following
specs:

Baud rate = 2400
Sample rate = 9600 Hz
USRP input sample rate = 400 kHz (three times interpolating by 5, one
time decimating by 3)
Super frame length = about 9 seconds (CFO removal at start of each)
Channel estimation = around every 100 msec (training seq. space)
Daughter board = LFTX / LFRX

The problem is this:
In some superframes, from each training seq. to the next, there is
a jump in derivatives of the estimated phases (equivalent to jumps in
carrier frequency) at the training seq. causes fatal errors in channel
estimation. Increasing the carrier frequency makes it worse. I really
wonder why that happens and how to treat it. ()
(I have tested the waveform with some radios and it worked well and I
have been working on it for about 2 months...)

Regards,
Al

Hi, I have a problem in channel estimation of a waveform with the following specs: Baud rate = 2400 Sample rate = 9600 Hz USRP input sample rate = 400 kHz (three times interpolating by 5, one time decimating by 3) Super frame length = about 9 seconds (CFO removal at start of each) Channel estimation = around every 100 msec (training seq. space) Daughter board = LFTX / LFRX The problem is this: In some superframes, from each training seq. to the next, there is a jump in derivatives of the estimated phases (equivalent to jumps in carrier frequency) at the training seq. causes fatal errors in channel estimation. Increasing the carrier frequency makes it worse. I really wonder why that happens and how to treat it. () (I have tested the waveform with some radios and it worked well and I have been working on it for about 2 months...) Regards, Al
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Matt Ettus
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:06 AM

Are you doing discontinuous transmissions?  Or do you keep sending zeros
between frames?

Matt

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Ali G. Dezfuli ali69550@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I have a problem in channel estimation of a waveform with the following
specs:

Baud rate = 2400
Sample rate = 9600 Hz
USRP input sample rate = 400 kHz (three times interpolating by 5, one
time decimating by 3)
Super frame length = about 9 seconds (CFO removal at start of each)
Channel estimation = around every 100 msec (training seq. space)
Daughter board = LFTX / LFRX

The problem is this:
In some superframes, from each training seq. to the next, there is
a jump in derivatives of the estimated phases (equivalent to jumps in
carrier frequency) at the training seq. causes fatal errors in channel
estimation. Increasing the carrier frequency makes it worse. I really
wonder why that happens and how to treat it. ()
(I have tested the waveform with some radios and it worked well and I
have been working on it for about 2 months...)

Regards,
Al


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Are you doing discontinuous transmissions? Or do you keep sending zeros between frames? Matt On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Ali G. Dezfuli <ali69550@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I have a problem in channel estimation of a waveform with the following > specs: > > Baud rate = 2400 > Sample rate = 9600 Hz > USRP input sample rate = 400 kHz (three times interpolating by 5, one > time decimating by 3) > Super frame length = about 9 seconds (CFO removal at start of each) > Channel estimation = around every 100 msec (training seq. space) > Daughter board = LFTX / LFRX > > The problem is this: > In some superframes, from each training seq. to the next, there is > a jump in derivatives of the estimated phases (equivalent to jumps in > carrier frequency) at the training seq. causes fatal errors in channel > estimation. Increasing the carrier frequency makes it worse. I really > wonder why that happens and how to treat it. () > (I have tested the waveform with some radios and it worked well and I > have been working on it for about 2 months...) > > Regards, > Al > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list > USRP-users@lists.ettus.com > http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com > >