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Digital tight PLL method

SR
Steve Rooke
Thu, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM

Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get
it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional
blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer
for this but there again that's hardly surprising.

$ nslookup tf.nist.gov
Server:        127.0.0.1
Address:        127.0.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
tf.nist.gov    canonical name = tf.boulder.nist.gov.
tf.boulder.nist.gov    canonical name = symp17.boulder.nist.gov.
Name:  symp17.boulder.nist.gov
Address: 132.163.4.169

Seems to resolve fine but trying to ping it fails (still that is no
indication of a problem).

nmap -PN tf.nist.gov

Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-05-28 02:37 NZST
Interesting ports on symp17.boulder.nist.gov (132.163.4.169):
Not shown: 999 filtered ports
PORT  STATE SERVICE
80/tcp open  http

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 11.22 seconds

Now this is interesting as I can see port 80 open so there must be
something blocking this in the server. And yes, by all means flame me
for nmap'ing a US government server if you like, I'm sure I'll be
extradited for trying to hack into the system and sent to prison for
25 years, but if it's out there in the public space it should be
secure enough for any form of 'attack'.

Cheers,
Steve
On 27 May 2010 03:58, Bob Camp lists@rtty.us wrote:

Hi

Works from here. It's a very brief description of pretty much every way in
the world to measure frequency.

Bob

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

On 25 May 2010 04:48, WarrenS warrensjmail-one@yahoo.com wrote:

Can't beat a simple analog version of  NIST's "Tight Phase-Lock Loop

Method

of measuring Freq stability".
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/one.htm#oneone    Fig 1.7"

I can't seem to access that link, can anyone else?

Steve

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A man with one clock knows what time it is;
A man with two clocks is never quite sure.

Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer for this but there again that's hardly surprising. $ nslookup tf.nist.gov Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: tf.nist.gov canonical name = tf.boulder.nist.gov. tf.boulder.nist.gov canonical name = symp17.boulder.nist.gov. Name: symp17.boulder.nist.gov Address: 132.163.4.169 Seems to resolve fine but trying to ping it fails (still that is no indication of a problem). # nmap -PN tf.nist.gov Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-05-28 02:37 NZST Interesting ports on symp17.boulder.nist.gov (132.163.4.169): Not shown: 999 filtered ports PORT STATE SERVICE 80/tcp open http Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 11.22 seconds Now this is interesting as I can see port 80 open so there must be something blocking this in the server. And yes, by all means flame me for nmap'ing a US government server if you like, I'm sure I'll be extradited for trying to hack into the system and sent to prison for 25 years, but if it's out there in the public space it should be secure enough for any form of 'attack'. Cheers, Steve On 27 May 2010 03:58, Bob Camp <lists@rtty.us> wrote: > Hi > > Works from here. It's a very brief description of pretty much every way in > the world to measure frequency. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Rooke > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:51 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method > > On 25 May 2010 04:48, WarrenS <warrensjmail-one@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> Can't beat a simple analog version of  NIST's "Tight Phase-Lock Loop > Method >> of measuring Freq stability". >> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/one.htm#oneone    Fig 1.7" > > I can't seem to access that link, can anyone else? > > Steve > -- > Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD > A man with one clock knows what time it is; > A man with two clocks is never quite sure. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.
DM
David Martindale
Thu, May 27, 2010 4:40 PM

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

 Dave

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Steve Rooke sar10538@gmail.com wrote:

Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get
it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional
blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer
for this but there again that's hardly surprising.

$ nslookup tf.nist.gov
Server:        127.0.0.1
Address:        127.0.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
tf.nist.gov    canonical name = tf.boulder.nist.gov.
tf.boulder.nist.gov    canonical name = symp17.boulder.nist.gov.
Name:  symp17.boulder.nist.gov
Address: 132.163.4.169

Seems to resolve fine but trying to ping it fails (still that is no
indication of a problem).

Hmm. From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. Try using the top-level page address: http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). Dave On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Steve Rooke <sar10538@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get > it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional > blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer > for this but there again that's hardly surprising. > > $ nslookup tf.nist.gov > Server: 127.0.0.1 > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > tf.nist.gov canonical name = tf.boulder.nist.gov. > tf.boulder.nist.gov canonical name = symp17.boulder.nist.gov. > Name: symp17.boulder.nist.gov > Address: 132.163.4.169 > > Seems to resolve fine but trying to ping it fails (still that is no > indication of a problem). >
SR
Steve Rooke
Thu, May 27, 2010 6:25 PM

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale dave.martindale@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

    Dave

--
Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
A man with one clock knows what time it is;
A man with two clocks is never quite sure.

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale <dave.martindale@gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, > pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. > > Try using the top-level page address: > http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm > (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does not like New Zealand :( Steve >     Dave -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.
BG
Bruce Griffiths
Thu, May 27, 2010 7:42 PM

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindaledave.martindale@gmail.com  wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

  Dave
  

Only those in the South Island.

Bruce

Steve Rooke wrote: > On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale<dave.martindale@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hmm. From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, >> pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. >> >> Try using the top-level page address: >> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm >> (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). >> > I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does > not like New Zealand :( > > Steve > > >> Dave >> > Only those in the South Island. Bruce
SR
Steve Rooke
Fri, May 28, 2010 6:59 AM

On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindaledave.martindale@gmail.com  wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same
address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

    Dave

Only those in the South Island.

We call it The Mainland here mate!

Steve

Bruce

--
Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
A man with one clock knows what time it is;
A man with two clocks is never quite sure.

On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Steve Rooke wrote: >> >> On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale<dave.martindale@gmail.com>  wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same >>> address, >>> pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. >>> >>> Try using the top-level page address: >>> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm >>> (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). >>> >> >> I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does >> not like New Zealand :( >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>>     Dave >>> >> >> > > Only those in the South Island. We call it The Mainland here mate! Steve > Bruce -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.
NM
Neville Michie
Fri, May 28, 2010 8:18 AM

Strange.......
the link does not work here in Sydney,
but if you cut and paste the link into Google it works!!!???
cheers, Neville Michie

On 28/05/2010, at 4:59 PM, Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David
Martindaledave.martindale@gmail.com  wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same
address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it
does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

 Dave

Only those in the South Island.

We call it The Mainland here mate!

Steve

Bruce

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A man with two clocks is never quite sure.


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Strange....... the link does not work here in Sydney, but if you cut and paste the link into Google it works!!!??? cheers, Neville Michie On 28/05/2010, at 4:59 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: > On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> > wrote: >> Steve Rooke wrote: >>> >>> On 28 May 2010 04:40, David >>> Martindale<dave.martindale@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hmm. From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same >>>> address, >>>> pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. >>>> >>>> Try using the top-level page address: >>>> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm >>>> (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). >>>> >>> >>> I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it >>> does >>> not like New Zealand :( >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Only those in the South Island. > > We call it The Mainland here mate! > > Steve > >> Bruce > > -- > Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD > A man with one clock knows what time it is; > A man with two clocks is never quite sure. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
SR
Steve Rooke
Fri, May 28, 2010 8:40 AM

On 28 May 2010 20:18, Neville Michie namichie@gmail.com wrote:

Strange.......
the link does not work here in Sydney,
but if you cut and paste the link into Google it works!!!???

Tried that, it still didn't work and I can't see any difference
between the embedded link and the message text anyway. Even the base
url, http://tf.nist.gov/, does not produce anything and just times
out.

Cheers,
Steve

cheers, Neville Michie

On 28/05/2010, at 4:59 PM, Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindaledave.martindale@gmail.com
 wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same
address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

   Dave

Only those in the South Island.

We call it The Mainland here mate!

Steve

Bruce

--
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A man with two clocks is never quite sure.


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A man with one clock knows what time it is;
A man with two clocks is never quite sure.

On 28 May 2010 20:18, Neville Michie <namichie@gmail.com> wrote: > Strange....... > the link does not work here in Sydney, > but if you cut and paste the link into Google it works!!!??? Tried that, it still didn't work and I can't see any difference between the embedded link and the message text anyway. Even the base url, http://tf.nist.gov/, does not produce anything and just times out. Cheers, Steve > cheers, Neville Michie > > > On 28/05/2010, at 4:59 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: > >> On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>> Steve Rooke wrote: >>>> >>>> On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale<dave.martindale@gmail.com> >>>>  wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same >>>>> address, >>>>> pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. >>>>> >>>>> Try using the top-level page address: >>>>> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm >>>>> (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). >>>>> >>>> >>>> I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does >>>> not like New Zealand :( >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>    Dave >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Only those in the South Island. >> >> We call it The Mainland here mate! >> >> Steve >> >>> Bruce >> >> -- >> Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD >> A man with one clock knows what time it is; >> A man with two clocks is never quite sure. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.
BG
Bruce Griffiths
Fri, May 28, 2010 8:49 AM

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffithsbruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz  wrote:

Steve Rooke wrote:

On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindaledave.martindale@gmail.com    wrote:

Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same
address,
pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page.

Try using the top-level page address:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm
(Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway).

I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does
not like New Zealand :(

Steve

  Dave

      

Only those in the South Island.

We call it The Mainland here mate!

Steve

Bruce

I debated using that term but others on the list wouldnt be aware of it.

Bruce

Steve Rooke wrote: > On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths<bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> Steve Rooke wrote: >> >>> On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale<dave.martindale@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hmm. From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same >>>> address, >>>> pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. >>>> >>>> Try using the top-level page address: >>>> http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm >>>> (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). >>>> >>>> >>> I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does >>> not like New Zealand :( >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> Only those in the South Island. >> > We call it The Mainland here mate! > > Steve > > >> Bruce >> > I debated using that term but others on the list wouldnt be aware of it. Bruce
SR
Steve Rooke
Fri, May 28, 2010 1:01 PM

On 28 May 2010 20:49, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Only those in the South Island.

We call it The Mainland here mate!

I debated using that term but others on the list wouldnt be aware of it.

The NZ Government has been debating calling it by the Maori name of
Poenamu (meaning greenstone, a form of jade, and found down here) but
you can imagine the fun that would be for addressing and foreigners
trying to pronounce it. The North and South Islands are the current
official names and that really fits with the simplicity of the whole
place, IE. some local place names in the country are Bridge, River,
Ford...

We don't care much for that whipper-snapper of a North Island as it
was just fished out of the sea by Maui using a jaw-bone as a fish
hook. I just wonder what strength of fishing line he must have used
for that feat :) Now I wonder what type of jaw-bone it was as there
were no indigenous animals, only birds, here and you wouldn't catch a
fly with the jaw-bone of the tuatara (a reptile only found here and
dates back to the dawn of the dinosaurs)... Perhaps it was the
jaw-bone of a Moriori but we better not go there.

On topic, time is very relaxed down here, the last time I checked it a
second was running about 50%'ish slow but no one here cares :)

Steve

Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
A man with one clock knows what time it is;
A man with two clocks is never quite sure.

On 28 May 2010 20:49, Bruce Griffiths <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> wrote: >>> Only those in the South Island. >> >> We call it The Mainland here mate! > > I debated using that term but others on the list wouldnt be aware of it. The NZ Government has been debating calling it by the Maori name of Poenamu (meaning greenstone, a form of jade, and found down here) but you can imagine the fun that would be for addressing and foreigners trying to pronounce it. The North and South Islands are the current official names and that really fits with the simplicity of the whole place, IE. some local place names in the country are Bridge, River, Ford... We don't care much for that whipper-snapper of a North Island as it was just fished out of the sea by Maui using a jaw-bone as a fish hook. I just wonder what strength of fishing line he must have used for that feat :) Now I wonder what type of jaw-bone it was as there were no indigenous animals, only birds, here and you wouldn't catch a fly with the jaw-bone of the tuatara (a reptile only found here and dates back to the dawn of the dinosaurs)... Perhaps it was the jaw-bone of a Moriori but we better not go there. On topic, time is very relaxed down here, the last time I checked it a second was running about 50%'ish slow but no one here cares :) Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.