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THOY@TELE-CONNECT.COM
Thu, Dec 6, 2001 6:57 PM

I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978).  I stopped by my local
Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit.  The following
are the markings on the unit:  Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England.

Any ideas?

Terry Hoy
Meridian
Wittholz 40
Kalamazoo, MI

I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978). I stopped by my local Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit. The following are the markings on the unit: Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England. Any ideas? Terry Hoy Meridian Wittholz 40 Kalamazoo, MI
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Thu, Dec 6, 2001 8:56 PM

At 01:57 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, Terry Hoy wrote:

I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978).  I stopped by my local
Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit.  The following
are the markings on the unit:  Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England.

Any ideas?

Terry Hoy

Terry:  why bother,  call Complete Yacht Service (1-954-462-6977)  talk to
Mark.  Have him send you one for about $60.00 ...(the usual, no connection
to them, just a customer)..jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "Prairie Star"
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 01:57 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, Terry Hoy wrote: >I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978). I stopped by my local >Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit. The following >are the markings on the unit: Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England. > >Any ideas? > >Terry Hoy Terry: why bother, call Complete Yacht Service (1-954-462-6977) talk to Mark. Have him send you one for about $60.00 ...(the usual, no connection to them, just a customer)..jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.
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mhknott@home.com
Thu, Dec 6, 2001 10:30 PM

I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978).  I stopped by my local
Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit.  The

following

are the markings on the unit:  Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in

England.

Any ideas?

Terry,

I'd take it to a diesel shop that specializes in injector and injector pump
repair.  I don't think this is something that is typically handled by the
do-it-yourselfer.  You might also try Atlantic Marine Diesel (I think they
have a web site) in Virginia.  They are supposed to have good parts,
repairs, and advice for all things Perkins.

-Mel

> I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978). I stopped by my local > Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit. The following > are the markings on the unit: Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England. > > Any ideas? > Terry, I'd take it to a diesel shop that specializes in injector and injector pump repair. I don't think this is something that is typically handled by the do-it-yourselfer. You might also try Atlantic Marine Diesel (I think they have a web site) in Virginia. They are supposed to have good parts, repairs, and advice for all things Perkins. -Mel
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mhknott@home.com
Thu, Dec 6, 2001 10:33 PM

At 01:57 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, Terry Hoy wrote:

I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978).  I stopped by my local
Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit.  The

following

are the markings on the unit:  Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in

England.

Terry:  why bother,  call Complete Yacht Service (1-954-462-6977)  talk to
Mark.  Have him send you one for about $60.00 ...(the usual, no connection
to them, just a customer)..jd

Joe,

I took Terry to mean his high pressure pump.  I could be wrong.  If he was
just referring to the standard, automotive lift pump, you're right.  I just
put a new one on my Perkins for about $60.

-Mel

> At 01:57 PM 12/06/2001 -0500, Terry Hoy wrote: > >I have the fuel pump off my Perkins 6-354 (1978). I stopped by my local > >Auto parts store and they were clueless as to a rebuild kit. The following > >are the markings on the unit: Type U, Type F, 15F7, 0766, Made in England. > > > > Terry: why bother, call Complete Yacht Service (1-954-462-6977) talk to > Mark. Have him send you one for about $60.00 ...(the usual, no connection > to them, just a customer)..jd Joe, I took Terry to mean his high pressure pump. I could be wrong. If he was just referring to the standard, automotive lift pump, you're right. I just put a new one on my Perkins for about $60. -Mel
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Fri, Dec 7, 2001 5:41 PM

According to my local perkins dealer, these or at
least mine, cannot be rebuilt. Now, did he say this to
sell me an over priced unnecessary pump? Been known to
happen...
I wish I knew for sure. ?? Havening been told this, I
might think twice about a rebuild.

When I purchased my boat it had a spare water pump and
spare fuel pump on board. I took both to the dealer
and asked he could look at them and see if they are
good spares, or not. He of course told me the fuel
pump was bad and throw it away and get a rebuild kit
for the water pump. I did neither. Actually, I put on
the spare water pump and it works just fine.

Dan

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According to my local perkins dealer, these or at least mine, cannot be rebuilt. Now, did he say this to sell me an over priced unnecessary pump? Been known to happen... I wish I knew for sure. ?? Havening been told this, I might think twice about a rebuild. When I purchased my boat it had a spare water pump and spare fuel pump on board. I took both to the dealer and asked he could look at them and see if they are good spares, or not. He of course told me the fuel pump was bad and throw it away and get a rebuild kit for the water pump. I did neither. Actually, I put on the spare water pump and it works just fine. Dan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
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elnav@uniserve.com
Sat, Dec 8, 2001 12:25 AM

At 09:41 AM 12/07/2001 -0800, Dan Symula wrote:

According to my local perkins dealer, these or at
least mine, cannot be rebuilt. Now, did he say this to
sell me an over priced unnecessary pump? Been known to
happen...

REPLY
With few exceptions, no one  rebuilds  anything any more.
To begin with;  that would require skilled labor, something  bosses hate
since  they have to be paid more.
Secondly,  unless large volumes of the exact same equipment is handled, it
can become a real problem  stocking or even  ordering parts.  Cost,
availability etc  all paly a apart.
Thirdly,  modern  automated production methods use stakes, rivets and
welding or press fit for assembly not  removable  screws and bolts.
In effect you destroy the equipment  when trying to open it up.

In the automotive world, more and more  shops specialize in rebuilding  one
specific thing, transmissions, rear axels,  carburetors, starters  and
alternators.  No one rebuilds a fuel injection system.  The individual
parts are throw away, as with most consumer items. Global economy means you
build it where labor is cheapest ( also  least educated ) and sell where
the market will bear the highest  mark up.  So if the  product  quits, it
would cost more  to repair than to replace.
Which is why  parts stores  stock less and less variety.  They mainly stock
consumables such as  belts, hoses  fluids etc.
And of course they will always stock  complete replacement units if the
markup is high enough.

There is a big difference between  a  service technician,  a mechanic and a
parts counter person.
The Service Tech actually knows and understand how a piece of equipment
works and how to  fix it when it stops.
The mechanic  ( at least the newly trained ones )  only seems to know how
to find and replace a malfunctioning  module and replace it;  while the
parts counter  clerk only knows how to look up parts numbers  given a
specific model number.

An identical part  for another model product  could be sitting right next
to the emply bin  but he wouldn't know or realize the two are
interchangable.
This is the price we pay for  extreme specialization and  what  cost
accountants call  economy of scale.

More than once I have "refurbished"  non rebuildable, non repairable
equipment  simply by disregarding the parts clerks declaration that so and
such  is not rebuildable or serviceabale.
Mind you I also had access to machine shop, raw materials and  knew how to
design and make parts from scratch.
Unfortunately our schools  nowadays  put more emphasis on  training people
for  white collar jobs than  skilled  trades like tool and die makers,
electricians etc.

Boat owners who  strive to be self sufficient and self reliant are a
vanishing breed.  More's the pity!

Cheers
Arild Jensen
The Electronic  Navigator

At 09:41 AM 12/07/2001 -0800, Dan Symula wrote: >According to my local perkins dealer, these or at >least mine, cannot be rebuilt. Now, did he say this to >sell me an over priced unnecessary pump? Been known to >happen... REPLY With few exceptions, no one rebuilds anything any more. To begin with; that would require skilled labor, something bosses hate since they have to be paid more. Secondly, unless large volumes of the exact same equipment is handled, it can become a real problem stocking or even ordering parts. Cost, availability etc all paly a apart. Thirdly, modern automated production methods use stakes, rivets and welding or press fit for assembly not removable screws and bolts. In effect you destroy the equipment when trying to open it up. In the automotive world, more and more shops specialize in rebuilding one specific thing, transmissions, rear axels, carburetors, starters and alternators. No one rebuilds a fuel injection system. The individual parts are throw away, as with most consumer items. Global economy means you build it where labor is cheapest ( also least educated ) and sell where the market will bear the highest mark up. So if the product quits, it would cost more to repair than to replace. Which is why parts stores stock less and less variety. They mainly stock consumables such as belts, hoses fluids etc. And of course they will always stock complete replacement units if the markup is high enough. There is a big difference between a service technician, a mechanic and a parts counter person. The Service Tech actually knows and understand how a piece of equipment works and how to fix it when it stops. The mechanic ( at least the newly trained ones ) only seems to know how to find and replace a malfunctioning module and replace it; while the parts counter clerk only knows how to look up parts numbers given a specific model number. An identical part for another model product could be sitting right next to the emply bin but he wouldn't know or realize the two are interchangable. This is the price we pay for extreme specialization and what cost accountants call economy of scale. More than once I have "refurbished" non rebuildable, non repairable equipment simply by disregarding the parts clerks declaration that so and such is not rebuildable or serviceabale. Mind you I also had access to machine shop, raw materials and knew how to design and make parts from scratch. Unfortunately our schools nowadays put more emphasis on training people for white collar jobs than skilled trades like tool and die makers, electricians etc. Boat owners who strive to be self sufficient and self reliant are a vanishing breed. More's the pity! Cheers Arild Jensen The Electronic Navigator
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Thu, Feb 21, 2002 10:09 PM

My fluxgate compass is pretty well shot. I wonder if
anyone has ever repaired one or not? On mine, the
compass readout constantly read 316, maybe 315, no
matter what direction I was heading in. I decided to
try and fix it, and in doing so discovred that the
connection was frozen. It took me quite a bit of work
getting it off. I fear that taking it off further
damaged it. This is a robertson fluxgate. I can get
the top off, but there is a circuit board of sorts on
the top, blocking view of the plug.

Anyone messed with this type of thing before??  I am
not sure what wire is power, signal etc.  anyone have
an idea?

Dan

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My fluxgate compass is pretty well shot. I wonder if anyone has ever repaired one or not? On mine, the compass readout constantly read 316, maybe 315, no matter what direction I was heading in. I decided to try and fix it, and in doing so discovred that the connection was frozen. It took me quite a bit of work getting it off. I fear that taking it off further damaged it. This is a robertson fluxgate. I can get the top off, but there is a circuit board of sorts on the top, blocking view of the plug. Anyone messed with this type of thing before?? I am not sure what wire is power, signal etc. anyone have an idea? Dan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com