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loraxt10@aol.com
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 5:15 AM

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34 "Ripple"

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34 "Ripple"
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Henry Wing
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 2:05 PM

Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires.  They claim that the larger molicules
leak out more slowly.
Henry

On 3/29/07, loraxt10@aol.com loraxt10@aol.com wrote:

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that it
improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have experience
with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the
group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak lots
slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34
"Ripple"


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Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires. They claim that the larger molicules leak out more slowly. Henry On 3/29/07, loraxt10@aol.com <loraxt10@aol.com> wrote: > > I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that it > improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have experience > with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the > group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak lots > slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34 > "Ripple" > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Ted Stehle
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 2:28 PM

Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I
have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear to
hold better.

Ted Stehle
Good Times
45 Californian
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Subject: Re: T&T: nitrogen

Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires.  They claim that the larger
molicules
leak out more slowly.
Henry

On 3/29/07, loraxt10@aol.com loraxt10@aol.com wrote:

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that
it
improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have
experience
with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the
group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak
lots
slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34
"Ripple"


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Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear to hold better. Ted Stehle Good Times 45 Californian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wing" <wing15601@gmail.com> To: <loraxt10@aol.com> Cc: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: T&T: nitrogen > Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires. They claim that the larger > molicules > leak out more slowly. > Henry > > > On 3/29/07, loraxt10@aol.com <loraxt10@aol.com> wrote: >> >> I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that >> it >> improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have >> experience >> with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the >> group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak >> lots >> slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34 >> "Ripple" >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering >> >> To unsubscribe send email to >> trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word >> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. >> >> Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World >> Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Sylvain Sirois
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 2:55 PM

And, nitrogen don't react to change in temperature changes.

Sylvain Sirois
http://www.plongeess.com

Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I
have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear
to
hold better.

Ted Stehle
Good Times
45 Californian

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And, nitrogen don't react to change in temperature changes. Sylvain Sirois http://www.plongeess.com > > Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I > have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear > to > hold better. > > Ted Stehle > Good Times > 45 Californian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 2007-03-28 16:23
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John Blackburn
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 2:58 PM

Air is about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and misc. other gases.

Ted Stehle wrote:

Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I
have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear to
hold better.

Ted Stehle
Good Times
45 Californian
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From: "Henry Wing"  wing15601@gmail.com  To:  loraxt10@aol.com  Cc:  trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: T&T: nitrogen

Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires.  They claim that the larger 
molicules
leak out more slowly.
Henry

On 3/29/07,     loraxt10@aol.com         <loraxt10@aol.com>     wrote:

  I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that 
  it
  improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have 
  experience
  with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the
  group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak 
  lots
  slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34
  "Ripple"
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Air is about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and misc. other gases. Ted Stehle wrote: Tire Discounters in Cincinnati OH has used nitrogen for several years. I have purchased many sets from them and the inflation pressure does appear to hold better. Ted Stehle Good Times 45 Californian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wing" <wing15601@gmail.com> To: <loraxt10@aol.com> Cc: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: T&T: nitrogen Costco puts nitrogen in all new tires. They claim that the larger molicules leak out more slowly. Henry On 3/29/07, loraxt10@aol.com <loraxt10@aol.com> wrote: I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? Jeff Sharkey MT 34 "Ripple" _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Frank Burrows
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 2:59 PM

Jeff:

I did some research on this for my automotive clients and there are no
downsides to using nitrogen instead of regular air other than the fact that
air is cheaper than nitrogen. But other than the cost, there are definite
benefits to using nitrogen. I understand that nitrogen is used extensively
in NASCAR and in aviation.

Automotive repair business are adding this service as profit generator and
the degree of the benefits are likely to be exaggerated.

Frank Burrows

At 01:15 AM 3/29/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that
it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have
experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection,
what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is
supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not?

Jeff: I did some research on this for my automotive clients and there are no downsides to using nitrogen instead of regular air other than the fact that air is cheaper than nitrogen. But other than the cost, there are definite benefits to using nitrogen. I understand that nitrogen is used extensively in NASCAR and in aviation. Automotive repair business are adding this service as profit generator and the degree of the benefits are likely to be exaggerated. Frank Burrows At 01:15 AM 3/29/2007 -0400, you wrote: > I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that > it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have > experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, > what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is > supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not?
K
Keith
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 3:02 PM

That's hogwash. PV=nRT. Basic chemistry. Look up "Boyle's Law".

Pure nitrogen may have some benefits, but I sure wouldn't pay extra for it
vs. air, which is mostly nitrogen anyway.

Keith


All of us could take a lesson from the weather.  It pays no attention to
criticism.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvain Sirois" ssirois@cgocable.ca

And, nitrogen don't react to change in temperature changes.

That's hogwash. PV=nRT. Basic chemistry. Look up "Boyle's Law". Pure nitrogen may have some benefits, but I sure wouldn't pay extra for it vs. air, which is mostly nitrogen anyway. Keith _____ All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvain Sirois" <ssirois@cgocable.ca> > And, nitrogen don't react to change in temperature changes.
TS
Ted Stehle
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 3:15 PM

I don't pay an extra fee for nitrogen. You can say that it is built into the
price of the tires, but if the dealer is competitive, then it is a non
issue. I agree that the benefits are exaggerated, but there is not a
downside.

Ted Stehle
Cruising & News Editor
Waterway Guide
www.waterwayguide.com
tstehle@waterwayguide.com
45 Californian
Good Times
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From: "Frank Burrows" fburrows@mail.comut
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: T&T: nitrogen

Jeff:

I did some research on this for my automotive clients and there are no
downsides to using nitrogen instead of regular air other than the fact
that
air is cheaper than nitrogen. But other than the cost, there are definite
benefits to using nitrogen. I understand that nitrogen is used extensively
in NASCAR and in aviation.

Automotive repair business are adding this service as profit generator and
the degree of the benefits are likely to be exaggerated.

Frank Burrows

At 01:15 AM 3/29/2007 -0400, you wrote:

I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that
it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have
experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection,
what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is
supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not?


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I don't pay an extra fee for nitrogen. You can say that it is built into the price of the tires, but if the dealer is competitive, then it is a non issue. I agree that the benefits are exaggerated, but there is not a downside. Ted Stehle Cruising & News Editor Waterway Guide www.waterwayguide.com tstehle@waterwayguide.com 45 Californian Good Times ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Burrows" <fburrows@mail.com>ut To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: T&T: nitrogen > Jeff: > > I did some research on this for my automotive clients and there are no > downsides to using nitrogen instead of regular air other than the fact > that > air is cheaper than nitrogen. But other than the cost, there are definite > benefits to using nitrogen. I understand that nitrogen is used extensively > in NASCAR and in aviation. > > Automotive repair business are adding this service as profit generator and > the degree of the benefits are likely to be exaggerated. > > Frank Burrows > > At 01:15 AM 3/29/2007 -0400, you wrote: >> I've been reading about putting nitrogen into tires and the claims that >> it improves mileage, reduces wear, and prevents rot. Any listee have >> experience with this? Any list opinions? Oh yea, the boat connection, >> what would the group think about putting it in an inflatable? It is >> supposed to leak lots slower than air, and if it prevents rot, why not? > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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David Stahl
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 3:49 PM

What are you folks talking about? Nitrogen is smaller than O2. And air is
Nitrogen anyway; at least 78%. Geeze! Now someone says nitrogen doesn't
expand with temperature, better not tell the balloon dudes, they will want
more CO2 and you know how mad Mr. Gore gets.

I suggest Rn it's a gas about 12 times bigger then N and should stay in the
inflatable forever. And as an added benefit the dinghy will glow in the
dark.

I love free speech but sometimes the strangest stuff comes out.

Skooch
Worton Creek MD

What are you folks talking about? Nitrogen is smaller than O2. And air is Nitrogen anyway; at least 78%. Geeze! Now someone says nitrogen doesn't expand with temperature, better not tell the balloon dudes, they will want more CO2 and you know how mad Mr. Gore gets. I suggest Rn it's a gas about 12 times bigger then N and should stay in the inflatable forever. And as an added benefit the dinghy will glow in the dark. I love free speech but sometimes the strangest stuff comes out. Skooch Worton Creek MD
GB
Greg Bradley
Thu, Mar 29, 2007 5:11 PM

I happened to see one of those Hot Rod shows on one of the upper
channels of the cable service.  I can't remember which one, but the
host was talking about how some car shops will use nitrogen in high
performance tires.  First I had heard about it, so I paid attention.

His claim was that the nitrogen would not hold water vapor.

He also mentioned that if you use nitrogen, then you need to make sure
you top off with nitrogen.  As soon as you top off with air, you lose
all of the benefits of the nitrogen.

As to using it in an inflatable, I would think that it would be really
hard to maintain a source of nitrogen for topping off.  I'm sure it
would be doable, but a PITA.

Greg...


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I happened to see one of those Hot Rod shows on one of the upper channels of the cable service. I can't remember which one, but the host was talking about how some car shops will use nitrogen in high performance tires. First I had heard about it, so I paid attention. His claim was that the nitrogen would not hold water vapor. He also mentioned that if you use nitrogen, then you need to make sure you top off with nitrogen. As soon as you top off with air, you lose all of the benefits of the nitrogen. As to using it in an inflatable, I would think that it would be really hard to maintain a source of nitrogen for topping off. I'm sure it would be doable, but a PITA. Greg... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367