docking without midships walkway
Chas & Bev,
Beautiful boat. Pam and I were concerned with the same thing prior to
buying our North Pacific 42. I cannot stress enough that, for us, it is
not an issue. I drive while she handles the lines. (In fact, she won't
let me mess with "her lines".) Although not in a cruising status, we
are away from the dock at least once a week. The key is knowing how the
approach will be made and having the lines rigged in advance. The
Carver, btw, has better access to the lines than our raised pilot house
trawler (with a semi-displacement, hard chine hull).
Donnie Young
Donnie,
Always interesting how we different people see different things.
I
looked at the pictures of the Carver and then sent Charles and Bev pictures of
our North Pacific pilothouse trawler with the explanation that while the
verbal description of the line handling was the same the job was easier on the
North Pacific.
Oh well.
Henry
M/Y Mary M
North Pacific 43
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Subject: T&T: docking without midships walkway
Chas & Bev,
Beautiful
boat. Pam and I were concerned with the same thing prior to
buying our North
Pacific 42. I cannot stress enough that, for us, it is
not an issue. I drive
while she handles the lines. (In fact, she won't
let me mess with "her
lines".) Although not in a cruising status, we
are away from the dock at
least once a week. The key is knowing how the
approach will be made and
having the lines rigged in advance. The
Carver, btw, has better access to the
lines than our raised pilot house
trawler (with a semi-displacement, hard
chine hull).
Donnie Young
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Always interesting how we different people see different
things.
For what it is worth, we see things in a different light entirely. We don't want to start a heated discussion here, so please take what we are going to say as only an interesting journey into another point of view, not as gospel.
If planning short-handed use of the boat, and by this we mean two or less crew members, we think that being able to dock (and anchor, too), short-handed, should take top priority, even over that of crew conveniences.
Kinda like considering whether a car that you are thinking of buying has an emergency brake- something that is not appreciated until it causes difficulties.
Docking is often difficult enough, without intentionally buying a boat with built-in obstacles that can make docking more, and sometimes much more, difficult than it has to be.
Not being able to dock, while easily handling dock lines, in all conditions, and without help from a third person, we think should be reevaluated.
To us, it is not the fact that line handling without adequate side decks can be done, it is the times when it cannot be done, or can be done only with difficulty, that should be considered.
Granted having big engines, bow, and maybe stern thrusters, head sets,and calling for a dock hand to help can often over come some of these difficult docking situations, but we think what should also be considered is what would happen if they were not available or circumstances conspire to limit there use.
Then there is the consideration of getting underway, without side decks to make the job as easy and with as little difficulty as possible.
Then there is docking in contary winds and currents. Not all docks are set up to make the job easy and sometimes it is required of the crew to calmly, but in a very nimble manner, run from one end of the boat to the other.
Prempively situating the necessary lines is a good idea, but it does not take the place of being able to work the boat without obstacles.
Of all the mishaps that we see with boats trying to dock or leave a dock, a lack of functionally adequate side decks seem to contribute to more of these mishaps than any other reason, other than maybe the lack of skill in docking or line handling.
The difference is that something like a lack of skill, unlike a lack of sidedecks, can be easily overcome. Although side decks can be added after the boat is purchased, it is usually cheaper to get a boat with them to begin with.
Again, just another way of viewing things, but we think that these thoughts have enough merit to be considered by those who are evaluating a particular design.
Rudy and Jill
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
Rudy & Jill said:
a lack of functionally adequate side decks seem to
contribute to more of these mishaps than any other reason
I respond:
While I
agree with most of the conversation the Rudy and Jill gave about line handling
my wife and I never had a problem handling lines in docking or locking in our
trip from Texas to Annapolis and then from Annapolis back to Texas again with
a boat that doesn't have side decks. And believe me anyone who has taken a
cruise of that length knows that we met all kinds of wind and current
conditions. The co-ordination between skipper and crew are much more
important. The main skill of the skipper is to know to slow down and take it
easy.
Again, just my thoughts.
Henry
M/Y Mary M
North Pacific 43
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