Hello! Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the world of Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux community, I have begun to hear complaints about using TB on various distros and problems that they experience as a result. My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> for the platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support all three). They all deal with the libraries issue in slightly different ways, but from an end-user perspective are pretty good these days (no real big issues with any of them). I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and would be happy to help with introductions and they would likely be happy to assist us in implementing spitting out these packages as part of our process. What I'm proposing is this: let's put out one of these so that we can better engage with our Linux users. I'm not interested in having a discussion about which one we use as they have their merits and downsides. If you have knowledge and/or are willing to help with building one of these, please weigh in. Ryan Sipes Thunderbird Community Manager

FWIW, the Ubuntu package works fine. I can see that Snaps et.al. might be useful for other platforms. Whatever we choose, automatic updates must be built into the system. It should not be left to manual user action. That's important for security. If we did that, I think it would be Tom Prince implementing it, right? Or do the package communities volunteer to set up the package? Ben Am 19.12.2017 um 23:48 schrieb Ryan Sipes: > > Hello! > > Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the > world of Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux community, > I have begun to hear complaints about using TB on various distros and > problems that they experience as a result. > > My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps > <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, > Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> > for the platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support all > three). They all deal with the libraries issue in slightly different > ways, but from an end-user perspective are pretty good these days (no > real big issues with any of them). > > I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and would > be happy to help with introductions and they would likely be happy to > assist us in implementing spitting out these packages as part of our > process. What I'm proposing is this: let's put out one of these so > that we can better engage with our Linux users. I'm not interested in > having a discussion about which one we use as they have their merits > and downsides. If you have knowledge and/or are willing to help with > building one of these, please weigh in. > > Ryan Sipes > Thunderbird Community Manager > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net

Looks like someone has already done it, is interested in implementing it into our upstream process: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/4?u=ryanleesipes Looks to be a Canonical employee, I've thanked him, whenever our side is ready we should pull him in to get his stuff into our process so we're building these each release. Ryan On 12/19/17 4:32 PM, Ben Bucksch wrote: > FWIW, the Ubuntu package works fine. > > I can see that Snaps et.al. might be useful for other platforms. > > Whatever we choose, automatic updates must be built into the system. > It should not be left to manual user action. That's important for > security. > > If we did that, I think it would be Tom Prince implementing it, right? > Or do the package communities volunteer to set up the package? > > Ben > > Am 19.12.2017 um 23:48 schrieb Ryan Sipes: >> >> Hello! >> >> Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the >> world of Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux community, >> I have begun to hear complaints about using TB on various distros and >> problems that they experience as a result. >> >> My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps >> <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, >> Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> >> for the platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support >> all three). They all deal with the libraries issue in slightly >> different ways, but from an end-user perspective are pretty good >> these days (no real big issues with any of them). >> >> I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and >> would be happy to help with introductions and they would likely be >> happy to assist us in implementing spitting out these packages as >> part of our process. What I'm proposing is this: let's put out one of >> these so that we can better engage with our Linux users. I'm not >> interested in having a discussion about which one we use as they have >> their merits and downsides. If you have knowledge and/or are willing >> to help with building one of these, please weigh in. >> >> Ryan Sipes >> Thunderbird Community Manager >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maildev mailing list >> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net

Sounds like a good idea, if maintenance is not too high. Am 20.12.2017 um 01:56 schrieb Ryan Sipes: > > Looks like someone has already done it, is interested in implementing > it into our upstream process: > https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/4?u=ryanleesipes > > Looks to be a Canonical employee, I've thanked him, whenever our side > is ready we should pull him in to get his stuff into our process so > we're building these each release. > > Ryan > > On 12/19/17 4:32 PM, Ben Bucksch wrote: >> FWIW, the Ubuntu package works fine. >> >> I can see that Snaps et.al. might be useful for other platforms. >> >> Whatever we choose, automatic updates must be built into the system. >> It should not be left to manual user action. That's important for >> security. >> >> If we did that, I think it would be Tom Prince implementing it, >> right? Or do the package communities volunteer to set up the package? >> >> Ben >> >> Am 19.12.2017 um 23:48 schrieb Ryan Sipes: >>> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the >>> world of Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux >>> community, I have begun to hear complaints about using TB on various >>> distros and problems that they experience as a result. >>> >>> My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps >>> <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, >>> Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> >>> for the platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support >>> all three). They all deal with the libraries issue in slightly >>> different ways, but from an end-user perspective are pretty good >>> these days (no real big issues with any of them). >>> >>> I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and >>> would be happy to help with introductions and they would likely be >>> happy to assist us in implementing spitting out these packages as >>> part of our process. What I'm proposing is this: let's put out one >>> of these so that we can better engage with our Linux users. I'm not >>> interested in having a discussion about which one we use as they >>> have their merits and downsides. If you have knowledge and/or are >>> willing to help with building one of these, please weigh in. >>> >>> Ryan Sipes >>> Thunderbird Community Manager >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maildev mailing list >>> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >>> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maildev mailing list >> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net

Should be easier once Firefox does the ground work - there's a tracker bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1297513, and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278719  -Magnus On 20-12-2017 00:48, Ryan Sipes wrote: > > Hello! > > Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the world of > Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux community, I have begun to > hear complaints about using TB on various distros and problems that they > experience as a result. > > My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps > <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, > Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> for the > platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support all three). They > all deal with the libraries issue in slightly different ways, but from an > end-user perspective are pretty good these days (no real big issues with any > of them). > > I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and would be > happy to help with introductions and they would likely be happy to assist us > in implementing spitting out these packages as part of our process. What I'm > proposing is this: let's put out one of these so that we can better engage > with our Linux users. I'm not interested in having a discussion about which > one we use as they have their merits and downsides. If you have knowledge > and/or are willing to help with building one of these, please weigh in. > > Ryan Sipes > Thunderbird Community Manager > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net

Just an update, it looks as though the guys working on Snaps have already done a lot of the heavy lifting for Thunderbird. <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/13?u=ryanleesipes> I'm getting kenvandine to Email me so I can intro him to Tom. On 12/20/17 1:26 AM, Magnus Melin wrote: > > Should be easier once Firefox does the ground work - there's a tracker > bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1297513, and > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278719 > >  -Magnus > > On 20-12-2017 00:48, Ryan Sipes wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> Those of you who know me likely know that my background is in the >> world of Linux. Upon talking to various folks in the Linux community, >> I have begun to hear complaints about using TB on various distros and >> problems that they experience as a result. >> >> My proposal is to begin packaging via Snaps >> <https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/looking-to-snap-up-thunderbird/3253/2>, >> Flatpak <https://flatpak.org/>, or AppImage <https://appimage.org/> >> for the platform (we can choose just one, we don't have to support >> all three). They all deal with the libraries issue in slightly >> different ways, but from an end-user perspective are pretty good >> these days (no real big issues with any of them). >> >> I know the developers behind each of the projects personally and >> would be happy to help with introductions and they would likely be >> happy to assist us in implementing spitting out these packages as >> part of our process. What I'm proposing is this: let's put out one of >> these so that we can better engage with our Linux users. I'm not >> interested in having a discussion about which one we use as they have >> their merits and downsides. If you have knowledge and/or are willing >> to help with building one of these, please weigh in. >> >> Ryan Sipes >> Thunderbird Community Manager >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maildev mailing list >> Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net >> http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Maildev mailing list > Maildev@lists.thunderbird.net > http://lists.thunderbird.net/mailman/listinfo/maildev_lists.thunderbird.net