Re: T&T: Paper Charts and more
We travel without a VHF radio
I, who had not heard you admit this before, respectfully
request that you
reevaluate this practice. It is dangerous, but relevant to
the List, it
kinda shatters your credibility for advising on any other
subject.
We appreciate your response, and we always accept that we may learn from any response, whether it is in agreement or not.
Yes, we get this all the time, but for the past 13 years we have yet to see the danger, and we don't see how it negatively affects our credibility.
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive this as purely dangerous vs other interpretations, such as just not being convenient for someone else, or probably even more commonly, at odds with someone who is not learned in the rules of the road?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
This should be interesting.......:-)
"Snip"......
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive this
as purely dangerous vs other interpretations, such as just not being
convenient for someone else, or probably even more commonly, at odds with
someone who is not learned in the rules of the road?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
Let me start off with one in PNW: In marginal vis or night travel,
monitoring and/or signing in to VTS is a recommended safety practice for
your own and others benefit. Chiefly your own.
Richard
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive
this
as purely dangerous
Rudy,
It is dangerous because it is the best way to contact any listening party if you need help. And someone else may try to contact you if they perceive a danger that you can't yet see, to warn you.
I could think of more, with a bit of effort.
We always travel with the installed DSC VHF and with portable for emergency if we have to ditch.
Henry
M/Y Mary M
North Pacific 43
----- Original Message ----
From: Rudy and Jill rudysechez@yahoo.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 9:37:48 AM
Subject: Re: T&T: Paper Charts and more
We travel without a VHF radio
I, who had not heard you admit this before, respectfully
request that you
reevaluate this practice. It is dangerous, but relevant to
the List, it
kinda shatters your credibility for advising on any other
subject.
We appreciate your response, and we always accept that we may learn from any response, whether it is in agreement or not.
Yes, we get this all the time, but for the past 13 years we have yet to see the danger, and we don't see how it negatively affects our credibility.
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive this as purely dangerous vs other interpretations, such as just not being convenient for someone else, or probably even more commonly, at odds with someone who is not learned in the rules of the road?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
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Rudy and Jill wrote:
We travel without a VHF radio
Well from another track, just how many people have told you that is a
great idea??
John Buckwalter
Let me start off with one in PNW: In
marginal vis or night travel, monitoring and/or signing in
to VTS is a recommended safety practice for your own and
others benefit.
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is. Is it the same as VHF, or are we talking about something different?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
How do you hear a securite broadcast when approaching a narrow obscure
channel? That can be a very dangerous encounter in some of the areas we
have cruised.
Joe (of four vhfs counting handhelds)
Carolyn Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Rudy
and Jill
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:38 AM
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Paper Charts and more
We travel without a VHF radio
I, who had not heard you admit this before, respectfully
request that you
reevaluate this practice. It is dangerous, but relevant to
the List, it
kinda shatters your credibility for advising on any other
subject.
We appreciate your response, and we always accept that we may learn from any
response, whether it is in agreement or not.
Yes, we get this all the time, but for the past 13 years we have yet to see
the danger, and we don't see how it negatively affects our credibility.
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive this
as purely dangerous vs other interpretations, such as just not being
convenient for someone else, or probably even more commonly, at odds with
someone who is not learned in the rules of the road?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
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On Dec 5, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Rudy and Jill wrote:
We travel without a VHF radio
It is dangerous, but relevant to
the List, it
kinda shatters your credibility for advising on any other
subject.
Yes, we get this all the time, but for the past 13 years we have yet
to see the danger, and we don't see how it negatively affects our
credibility.
I'm honestly bothered by your postings about this Rudy. When you're
without a VHF, communication is severely limited. If I ever needed
real help, you wouldn't hear my broadcasts. That makes your actions
more dangerous to me.
When we're all out there cruising, we're literally in the same boat.
That's why everyone cruising is generally so helpful and friendly.
Purposely deciding to not carry a VHF for some bizarre "I'm making a
point" is beyond carelessness. It's selfish and I think it hurts us
all.
You're certainly welcome to do whatever you want, carry whatever
equipment you'd like, and travel to your liking. But to think that it
doesn't affect your credibility is folly. It defines your credibility.
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DeFever 53RPH
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Rudy Wrote:
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is. Is it the same as VHF, or are
we talking about something different? (endsnip)
I really hope that you are kidding here..................
But, in case you'e not, VTS is the Vessel Traffic service that most or all
large commercial traffic areas have that operates like a control tower at an
airport. You are required to check in with them in some areas as you travel
the ICW. New Orleans and Morgan City, La come to mind.
And I agree with the other posters, traveling without a VHF is just plain
stupid, selfish, and irresponsible. What if another boater is in need of
help? What if a commercial boat has lost steering and you are in his way?
What if that lock or bridge needs to schedule your pass for the good of
overall traffic flow? The reasons are endless. And I agree that you lose
all credibility on any subject as far as I'm concerned.
Other than your reasoning that bridges will let you pass quicker because
they can't talk to you, (at the other, responsible boaters and road
travelers expense no less) What possible reason could there be for NOT
having one???? I guess you don't carry those stupid life jackets
either...........
Brent Hodges
Friendship
43 Albin, with FOUR VHF radios aboard, at least 3 turned on at all time.
On 12/5/09 12:19 PM, "Rudy and Jill" rudysechez@yahoo.com wrote:
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is.
The purpose of a Vessel Traffic Service (VTS) is to provide active
monitoring and navigational advice for vessels in particularly confined and
busy waterways.
With Rudy's VHF comments in mind, I'm keeping his email in my inbox so I don't
forget to ignore any advice or recommendations he might make in the future....
From: vbhodges@gmail.com
To: rudysechez@yahoo.com; capnrich@wavecable.com
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:44:19 -0600
CC: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: No VHF Radio
Rudy Wrote:
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is. Is it the same as VHF, or are
we talking about something different? (endsnip)
I really hope that you are kidding here..................
But, in case you'e not, VTS is the Vessel Traffic service that most or all
large commercial traffic areas have that operates like a control tower at an
airport. You are required to check in with them in some areas as you travel
the ICW. New Orleans and Morgan City, La come to mind.
And I agree with the other posters, traveling without a VHF is just plain
stupid, selfish, and irresponsible. What if another boater is in need of
help? What if a commercial boat has lost steering and you are in his way?
What if that lock or bridge needs to schedule your pass for the good of
overall traffic flow? The reasons are endless. And I agree that you lose
all credibility on any subject as far as I'm concerned.
Other than your reasoning that bridges will let you pass quicker because
they can't talk to you, (at the other, responsible boaters and road
travelers expense no less) What possible reason could there be for NOT
having one???? I guess you don't carry those stupid life jackets
either...........
Brent Hodges
Friendship
43 Albin, with FOUR VHF radios aboard, at least 3 turned on at all time.
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Rudy and Jill wrote:
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is. Is it the same as VHF, or are we talking about something different?
Rudy,
Here is a link to the USCG Nav center where the locations of the VTS
areas are shown.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/vts/locations.htm
Larry H
I guess if Rudy and Jill were to tell us that they are both hearing impaired
and speech impaired, I would cut them some slack on not carrying, or is it
using, a VHF radio. Otherwise I don't understand their practice.
-- Jim
I have no idea how long I have been a member of this list and this is the
first time I have heard any reference to VTS as well.
Perhaps John might want to hang onto my emails as well so he doesn't follow
any of my recommendations either!
Rob Z
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
At 10:49 AM 12/5/2009 -0800, John Cuttitte wrote:
With Rudy's VHF comments in mind, I'm keeping his email in my inbox so I
don't
forget to ignore any advice or recommendations he might make in the
future....
Rudy Wrote:
I have to admit to not knowing what VTS is. Is it the same as VHF, or are
we talking about something different? (endsnip)
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-----Original Message-----
I have no idea how long I have been a member of this list and this is the
first time I have heard any reference to VTS as well.
Rob,
That cold Canadian north must have been lulling you off to sleep a bit. A
quick search showed me over 40 posts to the list in the last three years
that mentioned VTS! :-)
Kevin
With multiple VHF on board & all turned on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Zanussi" rzanussi@shaw.ca
I have no idea how long I have been a member of this list and this is the
first time I have heard any reference to VTS as well.
Perhaps John might want to hang onto my emails as well so he doesn't
follow
any of my recommendations either!
Not knowing what VTS is isn't the issue. In your case, don't you live way up
north? It makes perfect sense that you wouldn't know. It's "mostly", but not
exclusively, a Gulf Coast thing. Rudy lives on the Gulf, so I was just
surprised he didn't know what it was. But of course,without a VHF radio, how
would he know this important piece of information about safely navigating
the ICW???
The real issue is the no VHF thing. Makes NO sense.
< http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/vts/locations.htm > shows the location of
VTS in the US with descriptions. However, I note that it leaves out the C&D
Canal facility which is a Corps of Engineers operated facility. Other
locations are Valdez, Puget Sound, San Francisco, LA/Long Beach, New York,
Sault Ste Marie, Louisville, Tampa, two locations in TX, and two in
Louisiana.
For many of us little guys, participation is not required, but often welcome
in tight places and conditions of limited visibility. I cannot conceive of
passing through such a controlled space without at least listening on my
VHF. Installing some form of active or passive AIS adds to your safety in
heavily trafficked zones and often allows you to "see around corners."
Ron Rogers
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Hodges
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:50 PM
It's "mostly", but not
exclusively, a Gulf Coast thing. Rudy lives on the Gulf, so I was just
surprised he didn't know what it was. But of course,without a VHF radio, how
would he know this important piece of information about safely navigating
the ICW???
'Lo All,
I believe in having and using VHF radio(s), obviously Rudy does not.
That does not mean that he has no valuable knowledge of other marine
systems, their maintenance or whatever. Many folks like and/or do
things that I do not. That does not make me castigate them and say
that if I believe they are wrong, have poor tastes, habits, or
whatever, that they are totally ignorant on other subjects. Reminds
me of adolescents "piling on".
Get a life.
Take care and be safe.
Wayne
Celestial
Albin 43 Sundeck
Near Panama City, FL
Help,we're going down. My kids are with us, we are almost under water.
I can see you going by, right over there. Can you hear me? Help, please,
help us. Hello? Hello? Mayday. Mayday. I can see you, turn around, turn
around, please. My kids are going to drown, please help me. Why don't
you turn back? Can you hear me? Hel...........
Jeff Sharkey
MT34
Ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy and Jill rudysechez@yahoo.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 10:37 am
Subject: Re: T&T: Paper Charts and more
We travel without a VHF radio
I, who had not heard you admit this before, respectfully
request that you
reevaluate this practice. It is dangerous, but relevant to
the List, it
kinda shatters your credibility for advising on any other
subject.
We appreciate your response, and we always accept that we may learn from any
response, whether it is in agreement or not.
Yes, we get this all the time, but for the past 13 years we have yet to see
the
danger, and we don't see how it negatively affects our credibility.
If you are so inclined, we'd be interested in hearing how you perceive this as
purely dangerous vs other interpretations, such as just not being convenient
for
someone else, or probably even more commonly, at odds with someone who is not
learned in the rules of the road?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
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