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Warren Kelly
Mon, Jun 1, 2009 8:14 PM

I have been researching ocean routing and most of what I have read
talks about the best SAILING routes.  For example, we hope to cross
the Atlantic from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean sometime within
the next few years. All of the routing suggestions say go to the
Canary Islands first, and then go SW until you hit the trade winds
before heading to the Caribbean.  Again, this suggested strategy
seems to be geared towards sailboats, not power boats. Is there a
reference book available that deals strictly with power boat
(trawler) routing?  Why not just head towards the target rather than
go searching for wind I really do not want. I am a beginner at this
and would appreciate the advice for experienced passage-makers.

Thanks in advance,

Warren Kelly

I have been researching ocean routing and most of what I have read talks about the best SAILING routes. For example, we hope to cross the Atlantic from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean sometime within the next few years. All of the routing suggestions say go to the Canary Islands first, and then go SW until you hit the trade winds before heading to the Caribbean. Again, this suggested strategy seems to be geared towards sailboats, not power boats. Is there a reference book available that deals strictly with power boat (trawler) routing? Why not just head towards the target rather than go searching for wind I really do not want. I am a beginner at this and would appreciate the advice for experienced passage-makers. Thanks in advance, Warren Kelly
PG
Paul Goyette
Mon, Jun 1, 2009 8:32 PM

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Warren Kelly wrote:

... Why not just head towards the target rather than go
searching for wind I really do not want. ...

Remember that wind also makes waves.  So you might still want to head
towards an area of ragbagger-favorable winds in order to get comparable
wave-set.

Just because you can power into a head wind doesn't mean you want to do
it.  :)

Paul Goyette
formerly of Gentle Wind

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Warren Kelly wrote: > ... Why not just head towards the target rather than go > searching for wind I really do not want. ... Remember that wind also makes waves. So you might still want to head towards an area of ragbagger-favorable winds in order to get comparable wave-set. Just because you can power into a head wind doesn't mean you want to do it. :) Paul Goyette formerly of Gentle Wind
EG
Eric Grab
Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:39 AM

Hi Warren and PUPers,

Regarding crossing from Med to Caribbean: In December 2008 we departed from
Las Palmas. Our planned route took us a bit south, and then we headed west
to Guadeloupe. We were in contact with 5 sailboats on SSB. They all headed
more south before turning west on their way to Martinique. In general they
were following the tradition of keeping a piece of butter out on the counter
and waiting for it to melt. This is supposed to signal when you are going to
get a consistent trade wind push across the Atlantic. They had mixed luck
with that approach. For us we had minimal wind at the start, and it was
great. But things did pick up with squalls and increasing wind. The story of
our passage is on our blog (including daily coordinates) at the following
address:

http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/2009/02/27/start-of-crossing-the-atlantic/.

In summary it was 2750nm and it took us 20 days. We probably could have
stayed a bit more north and saved a few miles and maybe would have less
wind.

Regarding route planning in general: A tool we used over and over again to
help figure out routes was Visual Passage Planner 2
(http://www.digwave.com/products.htm). Also we learned to be careful with
route planning advice, especially when it was considered "conventional
wisdom". Lots of it came from a sailing perspective. Often we would ask why
a route or port was recommended. The person giving us the advice would have
to stop and think a bit. It was then revealed the advice was based on having
favorable sailing wind, or the assumption that a fuel stop could not be
skipped.

Wishing you no winds and following seas. :-)

--
Eric & Christi Grab
m/y Kosmos http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog (Nordhavn 43)
San Diego, CA

Hi Warren and PUPers, Regarding crossing from Med to Caribbean: In December 2008 we departed from Las Palmas. Our planned route took us a bit south, and then we headed west to Guadeloupe. We were in contact with 5 sailboats on SSB. They all headed more south before turning west on their way to Martinique. In general they were following the tradition of keeping a piece of butter out on the counter and waiting for it to melt. This is supposed to signal when you are going to get a consistent trade wind push across the Atlantic. They had mixed luck with that approach. For us we had minimal wind at the start, and it was great. But things did pick up with squalls and increasing wind. The story of our passage is on our blog (including daily coordinates) at the following address: http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/2009/02/27/start-of-crossing-the-atlantic/. In summary it was 2750nm and it took us 20 days. We probably could have stayed a bit more north and saved a few miles and maybe would have less wind. Regarding route planning in general: A tool we used over and over again to help figure out routes was Visual Passage Planner 2 (http://www.digwave.com/products.htm). Also we learned to be careful with route planning advice, especially when it was considered "conventional wisdom". Lots of it came from a sailing perspective. Often we would ask why a route or port was recommended. The person giving us the advice would have to stop and think a bit. It was then revealed the advice was based on having favorable sailing wind, or the assumption that a fuel stop could not be skipped. Wishing you no winds and following seas. :-) -- Eric & Christi Grab m/y Kosmos http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog (Nordhavn 43) San Diego, CA