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Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

HM
Hal Murray
Tue, Dec 1, 2020 7:03 PM

Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget
about  “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to
metal seals  embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on
the package.

What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax?  (The antenna
signal has to get in somehow.)

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kb8tq@n1k.org said: > Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget > about “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to > metal seals embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on > the package. What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax? (The antenna signal has to get in somehow.) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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jimlux
Tue, Dec 1, 2020 7:26 PM

On 12/1/20 11:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote:

Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget
about  “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to
metal seals  embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on
the package.

What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax?  (The antenna
signal has to get in somehow.)

Vacuum tight hermetic feedthroughs - we use them all the time in thermal
vacuum testing to get the wires through the wall of the chamber.

They come in two kinds - O-ring sealed and "braze in"

On a smaller scale, there are plenty of hermetic RF (and non RF)
connectors used on sealed assemblies that get leak tested. Usually, it's
a "braze in" sort of thing where you have a hole that's "slightly"
larger, and you drop the thing in.

It's a "well understood and mature" technology, if a bit expensive.

Sub-D, multipin round, thermocouple wires, fiber optics, etc. they're
all available.

I've used modified spark plugs as a HV hermetic feedthrough.

On 12/1/20 11:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > kb8tq@n1k.org said: >> Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget >> about “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to >> metal seals embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on >> the package. > > What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax? (The antenna > signal has to get in somehow.) > Vacuum tight hermetic feedthroughs - we use them all the time in thermal vacuum testing to get the wires through the wall of the chamber. They come in two kinds - O-ring sealed and "braze in" On a smaller scale, there are plenty of hermetic RF (and non RF) connectors used on sealed assemblies that get leak tested. Usually, it's a "braze in" sort of thing where you have a hole that's "slightly" larger, and you drop the thing in. It's a "well understood and mature" technology, if a bit expensive. Sub-D, multipin round, thermocouple wires, fiber optics, etc. they're all available. I've used modified spark plugs as a HV hermetic feedthrough.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Tue, Dec 1, 2020 7:55 PM

Hi

You are going to fabricate the “base” as a solid piece. Getting a coax style connector
into that is just a matter of your credit limit. The larger issue on the device is making the
“cover” out of metal. That probably isn’t going to work very well :) Now you are off into
a glass cover of some sort with a weld flange on it. If you thought the tooling on the
coax connector was exciting, it just took second place …

==========

The bigger question is: If you had the choice of a > $5,000 version of this device that
would not fail from (internal) humidity, would you buy a few thousand of them? My guess
is that you would still buy the $250 ( I think that was the original price …) version and
a couple of spares.

I’d bet more of them die from lightning hits than from humidity.

Bob

On Dec 1, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net wrote:

kb8tq@n1k.org said:

Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget
about  “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to
metal seals  embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on
the package.

What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax?  (The antenna
signal has to get in somehow.)

--
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Hi You are going to fabricate the “base” as a solid piece. Getting a coax style connector into that is just a matter of your credit limit. The larger issue on the device is making the “cover” out of metal. That probably isn’t going to work very well :) Now you are off into a glass cover of some sort with a weld flange on it. If you thought the tooling on the coax connector was exciting, it just took second place … ========== The bigger question is: If you had the choice of a > $5,000 version of this device that would not fail from (internal) humidity, would you buy a few thousand of them? My guess is that you would still buy the $250 ( I *think* that was the original price …) version and a couple of spares. I’d bet more of them die from lightning hits than from humidity. Bob > On Dec 1, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote: > > > kb8tq@n1k.org said: >> Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget >> about “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to >> metal seals embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on >> the package. > > What's available in the way of glass-metal seals for coax? (The antenna > signal has to get in somehow.) > > > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.