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Butch Dalton
Thu, Apr 17, 2008 11:59 AM

I need a small (3-4 breakers) AC sub-panel for my inverter installation. Does
anyone know of an inexpensive source, perhaps even salvaged? Better yet, does
anyone have one laying around the boat they'd like to sell? Thanks in
advance!

Butch Dalton
43 Albin Dog Days III

I need a small (3-4 breakers) AC sub-panel for my inverter installation. Does anyone know of an inexpensive source, perhaps even salvaged? Better yet, does anyone have one laying around the boat they'd like to sell? Thanks in advance! Butch Dalton 43 Albin Dog Days III
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Al Thomason
Thu, Apr 17, 2008 1:53 PM

Another idea: make up a custom one at : http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/

Will cost something, perhaps under $40 (the tool will tell you the cost
before you submit it), but you can have it 100% your way!

-al-

Another idea: make up a custom one at : http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/ Will cost something, perhaps under $40 (the tool will tell you the cost before you submit it), but you can have it 100% your way! -al-
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Scott H.E. Welch
Thu, Apr 24, 2008 5:27 PM

"Butch Dalton" dogdays3_@msn.com writes:

I need a small (3-4 breakers) AC sub-panel for my inverter installation. Does
anyone know of an inexpensive source, perhaps even salvaged? Better yet, does
anyone have one laying around the boat they'd like to sell? Thanks in
advance!

Sorry for the delay. I know it's not "yotty" but have you considered a small
Square D panel from Home Depot? That's what I used on Island Eagle, and it's
what every fishboat around uses. I used these ones:http://tinyurl.com/6c7vyn

Here's a picture:
http://www.islandeagle.net/systems/0003D2D0-008583DB.14/P8210378.jpg

Scott Welch
FirstClass Product Manager
www.firstclass.com

Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.

"Butch Dalton" <dogdays3_@msn.com> writes: >I need a small (3-4 breakers) AC sub-panel for my inverter installation. Does >anyone know of an inexpensive source, perhaps even salvaged? Better yet, does >anyone have one laying around the boat they'd like to sell? Thanks in >advance! Sorry for the delay. I know it's not "yotty" but have you considered a small Square D panel from Home Depot? That's what I used on Island Eagle, and it's what every fishboat around uses. I used these ones:http://tinyurl.com/6c7vyn Here's a picture: http://www.islandeagle.net/systems/0003D2D0-008583DB.14/P8210378.jpg Scott Welch FirstClass Product Manager www.firstclass.com Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.
AJ
Arild Jensen
Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:38 PM

-----Original Message-----
From:  Scott H.E. Welch

I know it's not "yotty" but have you considered a small
Square D panel from Home Depot? That's what I used on Island
Eagle, and it's  what every fishboat around uses.

REPLY
Nice workmanship Scott.
However, there is a reason why home depot type products are NOT approved for
marine use.
In the first place the wire terminations are designed for solid wire not
stranded wire.
secondly many of the busbars are plated not solid copper  that is tinned.
Plated bus bars and connectors tend to "grow corrosion" which in turn
creates hot spots over time.

Land based wiring is usually in less moist environments and thus escape th
eworst ravages of this corosion growth.

Home Depot breakers are purely thermal and derate drastically with high
ambient temperatures such as you might find in a typical boat.

I admit a careful and conscientious person can make home depot type hardware
work safely but how expensive can a 4 circuit Blue Sea panel be? Is it
really worth it making a non marine grade installtion for the sake of saving
a few bucks?
There are so many surplus stores and marine flea markets around these days.

cheers
Arild

> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott H.E. Welch > I know it's not "yotty" but have you considered a small > Square D panel from Home Depot? That's what I used on Island > Eagle, and it's what every fishboat around uses. REPLY Nice workmanship Scott. However, there is a reason why home depot type products are NOT approved for marine use. In the first place the wire terminations are designed for solid wire not stranded wire. secondly many of the busbars are plated not solid copper that is tinned. Plated bus bars and connectors tend to "grow corrosion" which in turn creates hot spots over time. Land based wiring is usually in less moist environments and thus escape th eworst ravages of this corosion growth. Home Depot breakers are purely thermal and derate drastically with high ambient temperatures such as you might find in a typical boat. I admit a careful and conscientious person can make home depot type hardware work safely but how expensive can a 4 circuit Blue Sea panel be? Is it really worth it making a non marine grade installtion for the sake of saving a few bucks? There are so many surplus stores and marine flea markets around these days. cheers Arild
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Scott H.E. Welch
Thu, Apr 24, 2008 7:13 PM

"Arild Jensen" 2elnav@netbistro.com writes:

Nice workmanship Scott.
However, there is a reason why home depot type products are NOT approved for
marine use.
In the first place the wire terminations are designed for solid wire not
stranded wire.
secondly many of the busbars are plated not solid copper  that is tinned.
Plated bus bars and connectors tend to "grow corrosion" which in turn
creates hot spots over time.

All of the wiring on Island Eagle is terminated with plated crimp-on
connectors. By the way, this comment applies equally to the outlets we use on
boats, and everyone uses land-based ones there.

Land based wiring is usually in less moist environments and thus escape th
eworst ravages of this corosion growth.

All I can say is that the panels I replaced were also Square D, and they were
40 years old and working just fine.

Home Depot breakers are purely thermal and derate drastically with high
ambient temperatures such as you might find in a typical boat.

Ambient temperature in my engine room is rarely above 100F.

I admit a careful and conscientious person can make home depot type hardware
work safely but how expensive can a 4 circuit Blue Sea panel be? Is it
really worth it making a non marine grade installtion for the sake of saving
a few bucks?
There are so many surplus stores and marine flea markets around these days.

It's not just a question of expense (you may have noticed that I did in fact
use Blue Sea equipment on my entire DC system). The Square D panels are much
better for surface-mount wiring. Plus, it's much easier to install strain
reliefs.

I reiterate my recommendation. For a small AC panel, I would put in a Square
D.

Scott Welch
FirstClass Product Manager
www.firstclass.com

Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.

"Arild Jensen" <2elnav@netbistro.com> writes: >Nice workmanship Scott. >However, there is a reason why home depot type products are NOT approved for >marine use. >In the first place the wire terminations are designed for solid wire not >stranded wire. >secondly many of the busbars are plated not solid copper that is tinned. >Plated bus bars and connectors tend to "grow corrosion" which in turn >creates hot spots over time. All of the wiring on Island Eagle is terminated with plated crimp-on connectors. By the way, this comment applies equally to the outlets we use on boats, and everyone uses land-based ones there. > >Land based wiring is usually in less moist environments and thus escape th >eworst ravages of this corosion growth. All I can say is that the panels I replaced were also Square D, and they were 40 years old and working just fine. > >Home Depot breakers are purely thermal and derate drastically with high >ambient temperatures such as you might find in a typical boat. Ambient temperature in my engine room is rarely above 100F. > >I admit a careful and conscientious person can make home depot type hardware >work safely but how expensive can a 4 circuit Blue Sea panel be? Is it >really worth it making a non marine grade installtion for the sake of saving >a few bucks? >There are so many surplus stores and marine flea markets around these days. It's not just a question of expense (you may have noticed that I did in fact use Blue Sea equipment on my entire DC system). The Square D panels are much better for surface-mount wiring. Plus, it's much easier to install strain reliefs. I reiterate my recommendation. For a small AC panel, I would put in a Square D. Scott Welch FirstClass Product Manager www.firstclass.com Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.