I didn’t unsubscribe you. I unsubscribed Ed Claflin at his request. I didn’t realize the e-mail went out to all racers.

Lee

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 12:08 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Please resubscribe me to the cruising fleet email list. I never unsubscribed!!

Thank you.

Lou Spitz

On Jul 11, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

You are unsubscribed from the Cruising fleet e-mail list.

You should have gotten a notification if the system is working correctly.

Lee

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 1:12 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Lee -- How do I get off this list?

Edward B. Claflin
128 High Avenue, Suite #2
Nyack, NY 10960
Cellphone: 845.216.9638
Office: 845.358.1084
mailto:ebclaflin@gmail.com ebclaflin@gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:05 PM Cruising Fleet Racing < mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote:

Right. Sorry about the language. Out of place.

Please sign your e-mail next time.

Lee

From: Wednightracing [mailto: mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:43 PM
To:  mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

I too am a member of both fleets and prefer getting these emails once. So, great idea to create a combined email group for PHRF racing. I support it. Personally, I also would like the extended racing, early start or not. I can’t speak to everyone’s insurance. Mine covers me day or night. If I go cruising for a week, in my mind, that’s what the throw outs are for. Finally, I don’t appreciate getting club emails with foul language.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Cruising Fleet Racing < mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote:



Tony,

I totally agree with Lou. Major decisions are being made without consulting the Fleet. For example I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have been subscribed to the “NBC PHRF Racing Group”. WTF? I’m a member of the Cruising Fleet, I’m a member of the Open Fleet, and now I have to join a PHRF Racing Group too? This is getting ridiculous.

If we don’t have to pay Cruising Fleet dues this year, I don’t think we should have to renew our 2019 PHRF ratings if there have been no changes. However, I would like to continue supporting HRYRA.

Finally, there should be no Wednesday Night racing after Labor Day unless we can start earlier.

Lee

From: Louis Spitz [mailto: mailto:aronella@gmail.com aronella@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:21 PM
To: Tony Martin ( mailto:afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
Cc:  mailto:aronella@gmail.com aronella@gmail.com; Lee Luce; Carol Marsh
Subject: Re: Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Hi Tony,

I was assuming that racing only Wed. nights at the club did not require a PHRF certificate. I have no intention of doing any racing this year, except for the Wed.night series. Do I need a certificate for just that? Also, the extension of the Wed. night series beyond the end of August might be illegal for 2 reasons:

1. Insurance: calls for racing substantially after dark

2. no representation (from me, at least) of changing the season from what had been a long tradition of ending racing the end of August.  Where did this change come from, who inspired it,

   how was it voted on?

I plan to go cruising the beginning of September, which would knock me out of the standings (if I happened to place, that is). I have always cruised at that time. That’s why I have a cruising boat!

For me, I even debated launching this season, much less race. I now feel o.k. with a crew of 4 or less, if I minimize time in the launch, and everyone wears masks, etc.

Don’t you think that some of these ‘rules’ will limit the number of folks who might otherwise want to race? There seems to be a dwindling of both spin and non-spin boats on the line.

Thanks,

Lou

On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Tony Martin  mailto:afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu < mailto:afmartin@mindspring.com afmartin@mindspring.com> wrote:

Hi Lou,

I don't see that Merry Chase has a  https://phrf.hryra.org/index.php?q=phrf/ratings valid 2020 HRYRA PHRF -- a requirement to participate in the NBC races (see NoR/SI) and in our Wednesday Night Series (and other Cruising Fleet Series).

Under our 2020 Series Scoring rules, we recognize race results only if the lack of PHRF is cured within 7 days of the race -- that time limit has lapsed for last Wednesday.  But, since we didn't notify you last week, when I sent results, you have until the start of next Wednesday's race (July 15) to remedy the situation.  After that you'll be scored DNC in the series for any prior races.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks -- Tony Martin, Cruising Fleet Scoring

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No. I meant to tell Ed Claflin that he had been removed at his request.

Didn’t mean to broadcast it.

Sorry.

Lee

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Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 12:28 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Hi Lee, Did you mean to send this to everyone in the fleet?

Jeff

On Jul 11, 2020, at 1020, Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

You are unsubscribed from the Cruising fleet e-mail list.

You should have gotten a notification if the system is working correctly.

Lee

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 1:12 PM
To:  mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Lee -- How do I get off this list?

Edward B. Claflin
128 High Avenue, Suite #2
Nyack, NY 10960
Cellphone: 845.216.9638
Office: 845.358.1084
mailto:ebclaflin@gmail.com ebclaflin@gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:05 PM Cruising Fleet Racing < mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote:

Right. Sorry about the language. Out of place.

Please sign your e-mail next time.

Lee

From: Wednightracing [mailto: mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:43 PM
To:  mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

I too am a member of both fleets and prefer getting these emails once. So, great idea to create a combined email group for PHRF racing. I support it. Personally, I also would like the extended racing, early start or not. I can’t speak to everyone’s insurance. Mine covers me day or night. If I go cruising for a week, in my mind, that’s what the throw outs are for. Finally, I don’t appreciate getting club emails with foul language.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Cruising Fleet Racing < mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote:



Tony,

I totally agree with Lou. Major decisions are being made without consulting the Fleet. For example I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have been subscribed to the “NBC PHRF Racing Group”. WTF? I’m a member of the Cruising Fleet, I’m a member of the Open Fleet, and now I have to join a PHRF Racing Group too? This is getting ridiculous.

If we don’t have to pay Cruising Fleet dues this year, I don’t think we should have to renew our 2019 PHRF ratings if there have been no changes. However, I would like to continue supporting HRYRA.

Finally, there should be no Wednesday Night racing after Labor Day unless we can start earlier.

Lee

From: Louis Spitz [mailto: mailto:aronella@gmail.com aronella@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:21 PM
To: Tony Martin ( mailto:afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
Cc:  mailto:aronella@gmail.com aronella@gmail.com; Lee Luce; Carol Marsh
Subject: Re: Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF

Hi Tony,

I was assuming that racing only Wed. nights at the club did not require a PHRF certificate. I have no intention of doing any racing this year, except for the Wed.night series. Do I need a certificate for just that? Also, the extension of the Wed. night series beyond the end of August might be illegal for 2 reasons:

1. Insurance: calls for racing substantially after dark

2. no representation (from me, at least) of changing the season from what had been a long tradition of ending racing the end of August.  Where did this change come from, who inspired it,

   how was it voted on?

I plan to go cruising the beginning of September, which would knock me out of the standings (if I happened to place, that is). I have always cruised at that time. That’s why I have a cruising boat!

For me, I even debated launching this season, much less race. I now feel o.k. with a crew of 4 or less, if I minimize time in the launch, and everyone wears masks, etc.

Don’t you think that some of these ‘rules’ will limit the number of folks who might otherwise want to race? There seems to be a dwindling of both spin and non-spin boats on the line.

Thanks,

Lou

On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Tony Martin  mailto:afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu < mailto:afmartin@mindspring.com afmartin@mindspring.com> wrote:

Hi Lou,

I don't see that Merry Chase has a  https://phrf.hryra.org/index.php?q=phrf/ratings valid 2020 HRYRA PHRF -- a requirement to participate in the NBC races (see NoR/SI) and in our Wednesday Night Series (and other Cruising Fleet Series).

Under our 2020 Series Scoring rules, we recognize race results only if the lack of PHRF is cured within 7 days of the race -- that time limit has lapsed for last Wednesday.  But, since we didn't notify you last week, when I sent results, you have until the start of next Wednesday's race (July 15) to remedy the situation.  After that you'll be scored DNC in the series for any prior races.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks -- Tony Martin, Cruising Fleet Scoring

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On Jul 11, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:
No. I meant to tell Ed Claflin that he had been removed at his request.Didn’t mean to broadcast it.Sorry.Lee  From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing via Wednightracing
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Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF  Hi Lee, Did you mean to send this to everyone in the fleet?     Jeff      On Jul 11, 2020, at 1020, Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:  You are unsubscribed from the Cruising fleet e-mail list.You should have gotten a notification if the system is working correctly.Lee From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 1:12 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF Lee -- How do I get off this list?  Edward B. Claflin 
128 High Avenue, Suite #2
Nyack, NY 10960
Cellphone: 845.216.9638
Office: 845.358.1084
ebclaflin@gmail.com  On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:05 PM Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:
Right. Sorry about the language. Out of place. Please sign your e-mail next time.Lee From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Cruising Fleet Racing
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:43 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF I too am a member of both fleets and prefer getting these emails once. So, great idea to create a combined email group for PHRF racing. I support it. Personally, I also would like the extended racing, early start or not. I can’t speak to everyone’s insurance. Mine covers me day or night. If I go cruising for a week, in my mind, that’s what the throw outs are for. Finally, I don’t appreciate getting club emails with foul language.Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Cruising Fleet Racing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:
Tony,I totally agree with Lou. Major decisions are being made without consulting the Fleet. For example I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have been subscribed to the “NBC PHRF Racing Group”. WTF? I’m a member of the Cruising Fleet, I’m a member of the Open Fleet, and now I have to join a PHRF Racing Group too? This is getting ridiculous.If we don’t have to pay Cruising Fleet dues this year, I don’t think we should have to renew our 2019 PHRF ratings if there have been no changes. However, I would like to continue supporting HRYRA. Finally, there should be no Wednesday Night racing after Labor Day unless we can start earlier. Lee  From: Louis Spitz [mailto:aronella@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:21 PM
To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
Cc: aronella@gmail.com; Lee Luce; Carol Marsh
Subject: Re: Merry Chase -- no 2020 HRYRA PHRF Hi Tony, I was assuming that racing only Wed. nights at the club did not require a PHRF certificate. I have no intention of doing any racing this year, except for the Wed.night series. Do I need a certificate for just that? Also, the extension of the Wed. night series beyond the end of August might be illegal for 2 reasons:1)  Insurance: calls for racing substantially after dark2)  no representation (from me, at least) of changing the season from what had been a long tradition of ending racing the end of August.  Where did this change come from, who inspired it,      how was it voted on? I plan to go cruising the beginning of September, which would knock me out of the standings (if I happened to place, that is). I have always cruised at that time. That’s why I have a cruising boat!For me, I even debated launching this season, much less race. I now feel o.k. with a crew of 4 or less, if I minimize time in the launch, and everyone wears masks, etc.Don’t you think that some of these ‘rules’ will limit the number of folks who might otherwise want to race? There seems to be a dwindling of both spin and non-spin boats on the line. Thanks, Lou   

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