Stanley, to add to what you already have, I'd recommend:

Rb Standards
Cs Standards
Other Oscillators
GPS
Test Equipment

and always a good one... "Getting Started".

73 Brice KA8MAV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanley Reynolds" stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

Whats the reason and motive for this ?

On 8/24/2010 8:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote:

Personal Preference, Restrictions with the mail list format, would like a better
way to search content.

Stanley

----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Kirby kilodelta4foxmike@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 9:36:24 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

Whats the reason and motive for this ?

On 8/24/2010 8:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote:

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

We'll good luck and happy trails...In respect for John Ackermann's work
and the TAPR list that time-nuts originated from, you should be
considerate and pick a different name.

Brian Kirby - KD4FM

On 8/24/2010 9:43 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote:

Stanley,

If you could siphon off the "dead horse" topics like the best
microprocessor, the best instrument, and phase noise measurement
you would do this list a great service.

Fielding the newbies questions, and requests for manuals for
obscure instruments would also be great.

When this list was much smaller, we talked about how the measurement
of the properties of time could be extended. List members had gotten
past the common topics. tvb was a regular contributor. Now the noise
level is rather high, and we've gotten our first "no subject" query.

When you wish for growth, be careful what you wish for.

Bill Hawkins

-----Original Message-----
From: Stanley Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:44 PM

Personal Preference, Restrictions with the mail list format, would like a
better
way to search content.

Stanley
----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Kirby kilodelta4foxmike@gmail.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 9:36:24 PM

Whats the reason and motive for this ?

On 8/24/2010 8:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote:

I think "Manuals" would be a great addition; however, there are already so
many places to download them and so many manuals out there... maybe a
"sticky" list of sources would be best.  "Microprocessors" gets a bit off
topic as everyone has an opinion and their own favorite.  That said...
Time/Frequency Measurement Programming kept general could be decent as long
as everyone didn't start posting thousands of lines of PIC code asking why
it doesn't work.  Know what I mean?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hawkins" bill@iaxs.net
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

Stanley,

It seems to me that "we" already have/had one somewhere [ ? ] or it was proposed
and started but did not get off the ground [ ? ]  However, I could be wrong or
seriously confused.

The nature of the timenuts list was supposed to be a low key - low noise list,
not a beginners Q&A service and project workout.  If you do get started and
flying, perhaps your forum could handle that beginners Q&A service and the,
sometimes, large load of the project traffic.

I agree with Brian Kirby concerning respecting the "Timenuts" title and so
forth.  John Ackermann has put a lot of time and effort into the basis of the
"Timenuts" list, not to mention the expense of hosting and maintaining the list
and its archives.

The "Timenuts" moniker, while recognized and respected internationally, is a form
of prior "art" and may well constitute a form of copyright.  I would suggest
that not only is it proper to ask him his feelings but may require his permission
for use of his list moniker.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Stanley Reynolds wrote:

Stanley,

I was under the impression you already had the permission of the founders
to use the "time-nuts" name to start up this new forum.  Was I mistaken?

73 Brice KA8MAV

----- Original Message -----
From: "WB6BNQ" wb6bnq@cox.net
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

No, all my idea, I have not asked anyone's permission. I meant no disrespect.

Stanley

----- Original Message ----
From: Heathkid heathkid@heathkid.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 11:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

Stanley,

I was under the impression you already had the permission of the founders to
use the "time-nuts" name to start up this new forum.  Was I mistaken?

73 Brice KA8MAV

----- Original Message ----- From: "WB6BNQ" wb6bnq@cox.net
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

list

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Stanley,

how about the " TIME-GURU " name?????

-----Original Message-----
From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 6:44 am
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

No, all my idea, I have not asked anyone's permission. I meant no disrespect.
Stanley

----- Original Message ----
rom: Heathkid heathkid@heathkid.com
o: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
ent: Tue, August 24, 2010 11:26:21 PM
ubject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum
Stanley,
I was under the impression you already had the permission of the founders to
se the "time-nuts" name to start up this new forum.  Was I mistaken?
73 Brice KA8MAV
----- Original Message ----- From: "WB6BNQ" wb6bnq@cox.net
o: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com
ent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:05 AM
ubject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

Stanley,

It seems to me that "we" already have/had one somewhere [ ? ] or it was
proposed
and started but did not get off the ground [ ? ]  However, I could be wrong or
seriously confused.

The nature of the timenuts list was supposed to be a low key - low noise list,
not a beginners Q&A service and project workout.  If you do get started and
flying, perhaps your forum could handle that beginners Q&A service and the,
sometimes, large load of the project traffic.

I agree with Brian Kirby concerning respecting the "Timenuts" title and so
forth.  John Ackermann has put a lot of time and effort into the basis of the
"Timenuts" list, not to mention the expense of hosting and maintaining the
ist
and its archives.

The "Timenuts" moniker, while recognized and respected internationally, is a
form
of prior "art" and may well constitute a form of copyright.  I would suggest
that not only is it proper to ask him his feelings but may require his
permission
for use of his list moniker.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Stanley Reynolds wrote:

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

ime-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
o unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
nd follow the instructions there.

ime-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
o unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
nd follow the instructions there.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
Stanley Reynolds stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com wrote:

I don't think that a webforum will add any additional value that
the mailinglist doesnt have already. It definitly isn't easier to
search, nor is it easier to discuss anything. A mediocre mail client
is better than any webforum i've ever seen (no, yahoo webmail doesn't
even count as a bad mail client).

If you want to have different topics collected and a one-stop
reference website, i'd suggest using a wiki instead.

			Attila Kinali

--
Why does it take years to find the answers to
the questions one should have asked long ago?

On 25 August 2010 17:43,  ernieperes@aol.com wrote:

Or how about:-

time-sane
time-slow
time-not-so-nuts
time-nuts-beginners
time-nuts-non-exclusive
time-nuts-not-bruce
time-for-a-change
time-stupid-questions

or even:-

time-nuts-excluded

We are in danger of ending up with a TekScopes2 group here and do we
really want to fork the group.

Steve

Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.

• Einstein

You can use www.timenuts.com to reach my forum, I can be reached here or there
and several other places, all are welcome.

Stanley

----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Rooke sar10538@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 12:53:56 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

On 25 August 2010 17:43,  ernieperes@aol.com wrote:

Or how about:-

time-sane
time-slow
time-not-so-nuts
time-nuts-beginners
time-nuts-non-exclusive
time-nuts-not-bruce
time-for-a-change
time-stupid-questions

or even:-

time-nuts-excluded

We are in danger of ending up with a TekScopes2 group here and do we
really want to fork the group.

Steve

Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.

• Einstein

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Time to escape to the bunker.

Steve

On 25 August 2010 18:30, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com wrote:

--
Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.

• Einstein

Le 25 août 2010 à 09:42, Steve Rooke a écrit :

:)

Time after time
Time and again
Time Gentlemen Please
Time Bolts and Thunder Nuts
Nuts and reasons
Spacetime: A waste of both.

C :)

For me it's getting too time-consuming to watch every small
'alternative' forum.
Most of the time there is near zero traffic and that keeps them from
growing.
For successfully starting a new communication platform, there should be
a unique idea, strong motivation, and sufficient demand.

So, it boils down to the one question:
What is your motivation to start a new board?

Adrian

Stanley Reynolds schrieb:

If your objective is to make a Wiki for Time-Nuts topics, why not do just
that. There are Wiki Builder packages out there and IMO an easily
searchable archive of Group posts would be "a good thing".

It's unclear to me how many will have time to read both emails and a
forum. I certainly don't.

FWIW,

-John

=================

I remember talk of a wiki a year ago or so.  I'm happy to host such a beast
but won't have time to be the sole admin.  I co-lo with
johncompanies.com(tripple redundant OC-48 lines in a peering center
-fast).

-Bob

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:48 AM, J. Forster jfor@quik.com wrote:

J. Forster wrote:

It would be a "benefit to society" if someone were to take all the posts
on various schemes and circuits and edit them into a document/wiki/FAQ..
however, having done that in other circumstances, I know that it is a
HUGE task, and one that is continuing.

I've been involved in several mailing lists over the years (and years)
and some (like this) have a fairly high signal to noise ratio.  ALL of
them occasionally have noise bursts (for lack of a better term).. often
when the list traffic is otherwise slow and/or people are busy doing
something they're not yet ready to talk about or need to have questions
answered.  to paraphrase mailing lists abhor a vacuum, and rather than
"is the list still alive" posts, technically oriented lists wind up with
a certain amount of topic drift, but it's temporary, and as soon as some
thing interesting in the real core area pops up, it snaps back into line
(often aided by the skilled hand of a moderator)

I am aware of one successful "fork" and that's from the Tesla Coil
Mailing List (TCML) at http://www.pupman.com, which spawned a 4hv forum,
because the TCML tries to stay Tesla coil focused, but there is a lot of
interest in non Tesla Coil HV stuff.  A lot of overlap between members,
and both are active, and both are also high SNR.

Sometimes, too, there are personality clashes or people get cranked up
about some issue, but those inevitably die down (or the gentle hand of
moderation puts out the flames) because, under it all, the people on the
list are there because the care about the subject, and caring about the
subject means strong feelings, but also (eventual)tolerance of others
(again, moderators can do wonders)..

I am aware of several unsuccessful forks (or of limited success,
anyway)... where there was an attempt to split out the "newbie
questions" from the "old hands"... the problem is that the old hands
want to talk old hand stuff, but are also the folks best suited to
answering the newbie questions, so the reading/responding traffic hasn't
really changed.  And how do you get to be an old hand without starting
as a newbie?  There are also manufacturer sponsored lists where
marketing or product support is important, and there's a desire to keep
the speculative bug finding and philosophical design discussions from
distracting new customers. Flex-radio/flexedge lists are in this bucket,
but I don't know how well it works. There's lots of other factors at
play in that particular list/forum arena.  (And, of course, the biggies
like Apple, Dell, HP, etc, are notorious for removing posts that are
uncomfortable)

Personally, I like email lists, because I am an old codger at the age of
50 and prefer a gentle "push" rather than having to "pull" from a forum.
It's like reading the morning newspaper (which I did just before
writing this!)  The only time it's a pain is when I'm on travel for an
extended period of time, because it's worse going through hundreds of
emails (from all sources) at a crack than seeing them all nicely laid
out.  I could, I suppose, set up some rules/folders, but that leads to
"folders of unread list posts", and I'd rather read/delete/read/delete

Hi Jim,

Yes, it would be a lot of work to write Wiki style articles on all list
topics.

Another option would be an archive of all Group posts, searchable via
Google. There is apparently a Google app that does that. I've seen options
on web pages where there is a Google search button, that has options of:

( ) Search the site
( ) Search the web

This should be pretty easy to implement and far less effort than a full Wiki.

FWIW,

-John

================

"It would be a "benefit to society" if someone were to take all the posts
on various schemes and circuits and edit them into a document/wiki/FAQ.. "

I have done it on occasion (selecting threads which I found were interesting and put them in my Wiki (http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/). I have not been able to do it recently because of other distractions, but my wiki is available to anyone (as Richard McCorkle demonstrated with his PICTIC project: http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:pictic) so if anyone feels like it, be my guest and wiki away!!!

It does not have to be a one man job.

Didier KO4BB

Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things...

-----Original Message-----
From: jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net
Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:30:34
To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com
Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

J. Forster wrote:

It would be a "benefit to society" if someone were to take all the posts
on various schemes and circuits and edit them into a document/wiki/FAQ..
however, having done that in other circumstances, I know that it is a
HUGE task, and one that is continuing.

I've been involved in several mailing lists over the years (and years)
and some (like this) have a fairly high signal to noise ratio.  ALL of
them occasionally have noise bursts (for lack of a better term).. often
when the list traffic is otherwise slow and/or people are busy doing
something they're not yet ready to talk about or need to have questions
answered.  to paraphrase mailing lists abhor a vacuum, and rather than
"is the list still alive" posts, technically oriented lists wind up with
a certain amount of topic drift, but it's temporary, and as soon as some
thing interesting in the real core area pops up, it snaps back into line
(often aided by the skilled hand of a moderator)

I am aware of one successful "fork" and that's from the Tesla Coil
Mailing List (TCML) at http://www.pupman.com, which spawned a 4hv forum,
because the TCML tries to stay Tesla coil focused, but there is a lot of
interest in non Tesla Coil HV stuff.  A lot of overlap between members,
and both are active, and both are also high SNR.

Sometimes, too, there are personality clashes or people get cranked up
about some issue, but those inevitably die down (or the gentle hand of
moderation puts out the flames) because, under it all, the people on the
list are there because the care about the subject, and caring about the
subject means strong feelings, but also (eventual)tolerance of others
(again, moderators can do wonders)..

I am aware of several unsuccessful forks (or of limited success,
anyway)... where there was an attempt to split out the "newbie
questions" from the "old hands"... the problem is that the old hands
want to talk old hand stuff, but are also the folks best suited to
answering the newbie questions, so the reading/responding traffic hasn't
really changed.  And how do you get to be an old hand without starting
as a newbie?  There are also manufacturer sponsored lists where
marketing or product support is important, and there's a desire to keep
the speculative bug finding and philosophical design discussions from
distracting new customers. Flex-radio/flexedge lists are in this bucket,
but I don't know how well it works. There's lots of other factors at
play in that particular list/forum arena.  (And, of course, the biggies
like Apple, Dell, HP, etc, are notorious for removing posts that are
uncomfortable)

Personally, I like email lists, because I am an old codger at the age of
50 and prefer a gentle "push" rather than having to "pull" from a forum.
It's like reading the morning newspaper (which I did just before
writing this!)  The only time it's a pain is when I'm on travel for an
extended period of time, because it's worse going through hundreds of
emails (from all sources) at a crack than seeing them all nicely laid
out.  I could, I suppose, set up some rules/folders, but that leads to
"folders of unread list posts", and I'd rather read/delete/read/delete

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

On 08/25/2010 09:48 AM, J. Forster wrote:

Echo that.  I hate fora with a passion.

John

--
John DeArmond
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
http://www.neon-john.com    <-- email from here
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net
PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77

Please note that Bruce Griffiths has documented many of the circuits that have been referenced in time-nuts over the last few years in his pages on my web site: www.ko4bb.com/~bruce/ and he occasionally keeps adding to it. The time-nuts (and all others) are of course welcome (and encouraged) to browse these pages and make suggestions for additions or comments, via the list, direct email or the wiki.

There are plenty of options available.

Didier KO4BB

Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things...

-----Original Message-----
From: jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net
Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:30:34
To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com
Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

J. Forster wrote:

It would be a "benefit to society" if someone were to take all the posts
on various schemes and circuits and edit them into a document/wiki/FAQ..
however, having done that in other circumstances, I know that it is a
HUGE task, and one that is continuing.

I've been involved in several mailing lists over the years (and years)
and some (like this) have a fairly high signal to noise ratio.  ALL of
them occasionally have noise bursts (for lack of a better term).. often
when the list traffic is otherwise slow and/or people are busy doing
something they're not yet ready to talk about or need to have questions
answered.  to paraphrase mailing lists abhor a vacuum, and rather than
"is the list still alive" posts, technically oriented lists wind up with
a certain amount of topic drift, but it's temporary, and as soon as some
thing interesting in the real core area pops up, it snaps back into line
(often aided by the skilled hand of a moderator)

I am aware of one successful "fork" and that's from the Tesla Coil
Mailing List (TCML) at http://www.pupman.com, which spawned a 4hv forum,
because the TCML tries to stay Tesla coil focused, but there is a lot of
interest in non Tesla Coil HV stuff.  A lot of overlap between members,
and both are active, and both are also high SNR.

Sometimes, too, there are personality clashes or people get cranked up
about some issue, but those inevitably die down (or the gentle hand of
moderation puts out the flames) because, under it all, the people on the
list are there because the care about the subject, and caring about the
subject means strong feelings, but also (eventual)tolerance of others
(again, moderators can do wonders)..

I am aware of several unsuccessful forks (or of limited success,
anyway)... where there was an attempt to split out the "newbie
questions" from the "old hands"... the problem is that the old hands
want to talk old hand stuff, but are also the folks best suited to
answering the newbie questions, so the reading/responding traffic hasn't
really changed.  And how do you get to be an old hand without starting
as a newbie?  There are also manufacturer sponsored lists where
marketing or product support is important, and there's a desire to keep
the speculative bug finding and philosophical design discussions from
distracting new customers. Flex-radio/flexedge lists are in this bucket,
but I don't know how well it works. There's lots of other factors at
play in that particular list/forum arena.  (And, of course, the biggies
like Apple, Dell, HP, etc, are notorious for removing posts that are
uncomfortable)

Personally, I like email lists, because I am an old codger at the age of
50 and prefer a gentle "push" rather than having to "pull" from a forum.
It's like reading the morning newspaper (which I did just before
writing this!)  The only time it's a pain is when I'm on travel for an
extended period of time, because it's worse going through hundreds of
emails (from all sources) at a crack than seeing them all nicely laid
out.  I could, I suppose, set up some rules/folders, but that leads to
"folders of unread list posts", and I'd rather read/delete/read/delete

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Stanley,

On 08/25/2010 08:30 AM, Stanley Reynolds wrote:

I don't think it is a wise idea to create a forum. Don't expect me to
participate.

I don't think it is a wise idea to use time-nuts as name and DNS domain
without John Ackermann's explicit approval.

Best Regards,
Magnus

Magnus Danielson wrote:

Yeah, it probably isn't a good idea to poach on a lawyer's trademarks.

-Chuck Harris