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Re: Long term stable environmental sensors

DK
Dan Kemppainen
Tue, Nov 29, 2022 7:01 PM

Attila,

Has this board been restarted lately? Does the temperature error exist
after a reboot of the hardware/software?

One very long shot/minor concern is errors in the calculation in the
micro due to bit flips or other silliness with the calibration
coefficients in the micro controller memory. (This would only be a
concern for devices where the coefficients are only read at startup).

Is it possible there is actually more heat near the sensor? New
computer/phone charger, or failing power supply near by?

I'm also curious how much these drift, as I've been running them in the
lab here too.

Dan

On 11/29/2022 10:22 AM, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com wrote:

Moin,

I have been monitoring my lab with a homebrew sensor board based on a BME280
combined temp/hum/pressure sensor from Bosch. Unfortunately, the sensor seems
to have quite some drift. Now, 4 years later, one of them shows 30°C when
every other thermometer in the room shows ~22°C. And as temperature is
needed to for compensation of the other measurements, I can't trust those
either.

So, now I'm about to design and build a new system that has better long
terms stability.

At the moment I think I will go with separate sensors for temp, humidity
and pressure. Temperature is "easy", a PT100 will do the job nicely.
For humidity, there is the SHT line from Sensirion that is well known.
But I don't know of any decent absolute pressure sensor that is long-term
stable and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Does someone know a pressure sensor that is long-term stable?

Attila, Has this board been restarted lately? Does the temperature error exist after a reboot of the hardware/software? One very long shot/minor concern is errors in the calculation in the micro due to bit flips or other silliness with the calibration coefficients in the micro controller memory. (This would only be a concern for devices where the coefficients are only read at startup). Is it possible there is actually more heat near the sensor? New computer/phone charger, or failing power supply near by? I'm also curious how much these drift, as I've been running them in the lab here too. Dan On 11/29/2022 10:22 AM, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com wrote: > Moin, > > I have been monitoring my lab with a homebrew sensor board based on a BME280 > combined temp/hum/pressure sensor from Bosch. Unfortunately, the sensor seems > to have quite some drift. Now, 4 years later, one of them shows 30°C when > every other thermometer in the room shows ~22°C. And as temperature is > needed to for compensation of the other measurements, I can't trust those > either. > > So, now I'm about to design and build a new system that has better long > terms stability. > > At the moment I think I will go with separate sensors for temp, humidity > and pressure. Temperature is "easy", a PT100 will do the job nicely. > For humidity, there is the SHT line from Sensirion that is well known. > But I don't know of any decent absolute pressure sensor that is long-term > stable and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. > > Does someone know a pressure sensor that is long-term stable?
AK
Attila Kinali
Wed, Nov 30, 2022 8:40 AM

Hoi Dan,

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:01:56 -0500
Dan Kemppainen via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Has this board been restarted lately? Does the temperature error exist
after a reboot of the hardware/software?

Yes. It is persistent.

One very long shot/minor concern is errors in the calculation in the
micro due to bit flips or other silliness with the calibration
coefficients in the micro controller memory. (This would only be a
concern for devices where the coefficients are only read at startup).

The calculations are done on the PC, not on a uC. The uC on the board
acts only as an SPI to USB interface.

Is it possible there is actually more heat near the sensor? New
computer/phone charger, or failing power supply near by?

Please, give me some credit :-P

I'm also curious how much these drift, as I've been running them in the
lab here too.

I don't have exact data, but it seems like it started somewhen 2-3 years
ago and is getting worse quickly now.

		Attila Kinali

--
Science is made up of so many things that appear obvious
after they are explained. -- Pardot Kynes

Hoi Dan, On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:01:56 -0500 Dan Kemppainen via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Has this board been restarted lately? Does the temperature error exist > after a reboot of the hardware/software? Yes. It is persistent. > One very long shot/minor concern is errors in the calculation in the > micro due to bit flips or other silliness with the calibration > coefficients in the micro controller memory. (This would only be a > concern for devices where the coefficients are only read at startup). The calculations are done on the PC, not on a uC. The uC on the board acts only as an SPI to USB interface. > Is it possible there is actually more heat near the sensor? New > computer/phone charger, or failing power supply near by? Please, give me some credit :-P > I'm also curious how much these drift, as I've been running them in the > lab here too. I don't have exact data, but it seems like it started somewhen 2-3 years ago and is getting worse quickly now. Attila Kinali -- Science is made up of so many things that appear obvious after they are explained. -- Pardot Kynes