trawlers@lists.trawlering.com

TRAWLERS & TRAWLERING LIST

View all threads

Liquid sound dampening

R
Robin
Mon, Jan 29, 2007 3:44 PM

Almost any coating that's not rock hard will  dampen sounds on thin sheet
metal, alas not so on glass hulls. Two choices are anchor stern to the wind or
redesign the interior of your boat and move your stateroom aft!!! (UGH!!!)
Another  alternative is Bose noise cancelling headphones.

Wave sounds at anchor should be enjoyed...or at least tolerated....because
there is not much you can do about them especially when a spray rail concave
shape is formed into the forward hull and passes from above the water level to
below...Unfortunately fiberglass conducts sound very effectively, compared to
say, wood...

It's possible that interior hull sound deadening could be added but I'm not
sure what would be appropriate in that potentially wet environment...If it
were easy, likely some builder would be doing it..

Rob Brueckner
Hatteras YF

Almost any coating that's not rock hard will dampen sounds on thin sheet metal, alas not so on glass hulls. Two choices are anchor stern to the wind or redesign the interior of your boat and move your stateroom aft!!! (UGH!!!) Another alternative is Bose noise cancelling headphones. Wave sounds at anchor should be enjoyed...or at least tolerated....because there is not much you can do about them especially when a spray rail concave shape is formed into the forward hull and passes from above the water level to below...Unfortunately fiberglass conducts sound very effectively, compared to say, wood... It's possible that interior hull sound deadening could be added but I'm not sure what would be appropriate in that potentially wet environment...If it were easy, likely some builder would be doing it.. Rob Brueckner Hatteras YF
P
Pierre
Tue, Jan 30, 2007 3:39 PM

3 years ago when I was building my own trawler and ran into a Italian
distributor of a brand new Spanish product at the METS boatshow in
Amsterdam (this is Europe!).

The product, Subertre or Subersilent, was a  natural grained cork,
bounded through water-soluble resins. Despite they had few experiences
on boats I decided to use it on aluminum.

From they past website:

"SUBERTRES coats, waterproofs and protects. It is recommended for
fagade-renovation, asbestos incapsulation, sports centres floors and
industrial depots and also for external walls, interred walls, covering,
joint and crack sealing and floors . SUBERTRES is a thermal insulating
material, an acoustic isolator and it is also sound absorbing ,
anti-condensate and fire proof."

Today I have to say that each point was true and more. That very special
insulation is the best thing I ever seen for a metal boat. No
vibrations at all, strictly NO condensation at all and an incredible
noise dampening.
When we are on the top of the bridge or in the aft cabin, you definitely
can't say if you are on a sailboat or a powerboat. No noise, no vibration.

The bad news came some months later: the product was so good than the
company went to bankruptcy. Good engineering, bad commercial.
Well, that was a year ago. Now it seems that the license have been sold
and a new company is re-starting the production. I called some weeks ago
and yes it's possible to buy some again... if you speak Sevilian Spanish.
Have a look at their website, poorly translated, but it's coming back
from a long way. www.subertres.com

If you want to have a look at the result in our own boat, please visit
http://www.auroramagnetica.com/pics-gallery/

We sprayed it while the boat was still empty of any accommodation (click
on each pics to enlarge them twice).
The cork was tinted in light grey and it's sometimes difficult to see
the difference with the aluminum. The second coat, which came over the
bulkheads, etc. is the natural cork color.

Best of all: totaly insensitive to UV. I sprayed some on the
top of the cabin: it cut the heat at least by half. I stopped in West
Indies while on trials. The aluminum covered with cork was at 95F while
a raw aluminum part was past 149f or more under direct sun.

Usual disclaimer. Strictly no link in any way with the company but
please to share a good discovery. And I am very happy to see them back
to business.

Pierre

3 years ago when I was building my own trawler and ran into a Italian distributor of a brand new Spanish product at the METS boatshow in Amsterdam (this is Europe!). The product, Subertre or Subersilent, was a natural grained cork, bounded through water-soluble resins. Despite they had few experiences on boats I decided to use it on aluminum. >From they past website: "SUBERTRES coats, waterproofs and protects. It is recommended for fagade-renovation, asbestos incapsulation, sports centres floors and industrial depots and also for external walls, interred walls, covering, joint and crack sealing and floors . SUBERTRES is a thermal insulating material, an acoustic isolator and it is also sound absorbing , anti-condensate and fire proof." Today I have to say that each point was true and more. That very special insulation is the best thing I ever seen for a metal boat. No vibrations at all, strictly NO condensation at all and an incredible noise dampening. When we are on the top of the bridge or in the aft cabin, you definitely can't say if you are on a sailboat or a powerboat. No noise, no vibration. The bad news came some months later: the product was so good than the company went to bankruptcy. Good engineering, bad commercial. Well, that was a year ago. Now it seems that the license have been sold and a new company is re-starting the production. I called some weeks ago and yes it's possible to buy some again... if you speak Sevilian Spanish. Have a look at their website, poorly translated, but it's coming back from a long way. www.subertres.com If you want to have a look at the result in our own boat, please visit http://www.auroramagnetica.com/pics-gallery/ We sprayed it while the boat was still empty of any accommodation (click on each pics to enlarge them twice). The cork was tinted in light grey and it's sometimes difficult to see the difference with the aluminum. The second coat, which came over the bulkheads, etc. is the natural cork color. Best of all: totaly insensitive to UV. I sprayed some on the top of the cabin: it cut the heat at least by half. I stopped in West Indies while on trials. The aluminum covered with cork was at 95F while a raw aluminum part was past 149f or more under direct sun. Usual disclaimer. Strictly no link in any way with the company but please to share a good discovery. And I am very happy to see them back to business. Pierre