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Certichron

GB
Gretchen Baxter
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 5:38 PM

Hi,

I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com

They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time
synchronization.

Anyone know of them?  Comments?

Thanx!

Gretchen

Hi, I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time synchronization. Anyone know of them? Comments? Thanx! Gretchen
DF
David Forbes
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 5:56 PM

At 1:38 PM -0400 4/28/09, Gretchen Baxter wrote:

Hi,

I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com

They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time
synchronization.

Anyone know of them?  Comments?

Thanx!

Gretchen

A brief persual of their website indicates that they are trying to
position themselves as the trusted source of time to lawyers, not
scientists.

I also noticed that the cool 3D clock they show in the upper corner
of their home page uses local PC time, not NIST time! (My home Mac is
not syncing properly to Apple's time server, so it's a good indicator
of a website's time source.)

So I don't have much faith in their service, if they can't even get
their website's clock right.

--

--David Forbes, Tucson, AZ
http://www.cathodecorner.com/

At 1:38 PM -0400 4/28/09, Gretchen Baxter wrote: >Hi, > >I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com > >They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time >synchronization. > >Anyone know of them? Comments? > >Thanx! > >Gretchen A brief persual of their website indicates that they are trying to position themselves as the trusted source of time to lawyers, not scientists. I also noticed that the cool 3D clock they show in the upper corner of their home page uses local PC time, not NIST time! (My home Mac is not syncing properly to Apple's time server, so it's a good indicator of a website's time source.) So I don't have much faith in their service, if they can't even get their website's clock right. -- --David Forbes, Tucson, AZ http://www.cathodecorner.com/
MW
M. Warner Losh
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 6:18 PM

In message: 4fdb424f0904281038n7ef92dc1j117ab1eca8735bb3@mail.gmail.com
Gretchen Baxter gretchendenisebaxter@gmail.com writes:
: They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time
: synchronization.

If you were in the time business, would you say you weren't the
trusted source of time?

Warner

In message: <4fdb424f0904281038n7ef92dc1j117ab1eca8735bb3@mail.gmail.com> Gretchen Baxter <gretchendenisebaxter@gmail.com> writes: : They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time : synchronization. If you were in the time business, would you say you weren't the trusted source of time? Warner
DL
Don Latham
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 6:53 PM

I might believe this service if it were written in credible English...
Don

Gretchen Baxter

Hi,

I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com

They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time
synchronization.

Anyone know of them?  Comments?

Thanx!

Gretchen


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I might believe this service if it were written in credible English... Don Gretchen Baxter > Hi, > > > > I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com > > > > They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time > synchronization. > > > > Anyone know of them? Comments? > > > > Thanx! > > > > Gretchen > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com
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Don Latham
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 6:59 PM

I have an Austron 2000C to peddle if anyone here is interested before it
ebays. In very good shape, works AFIK, lights up, one second light
flashes. Don't have a manual. If anyone knows where the manual is found on
'net would you let me know? Google no help...
Hope this kind of msg OK with the group, let me know please if it is not.
Don

--
Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL
Six Mile Systems LLP
17850 Six Mile Road
POB 134
Huson, MT, 59846
VOX 406-626-4304
www.lightningforensics.com
www.sixmilesystems.com

I have an Austron 2000C to peddle if anyone here is interested before it ebays. In very good shape, works AFIK, lights up, one second light flashes. Don't have a manual. If anyone knows where the manual is found on 'net would you let me know? Google no help... Hope this kind of msg OK with the group, let me know please if it is not. Don -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com
BH
Bill Hawkins
Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:06 PM

At the bottom of their web page is a link to an article on the
limitations of LI GPS as a time source.
It says that "reliance on L1 GPS for time-setting is very risky"

Sounds like FUD to me. Didn't see anything about their claim to
accuracy. Seems like they deliver lawyer time with NTP.

An article on network security for process control systems (refinery,
power, etc.) comments on the spread of partial knowledge. Governments
make laws that are incomplete, plant managers don't want to spend more
than they have to, lawyers tell them all they have to do is comply with
the law. Result? Engineers can't get money to provide the security they
know they need to keep the bad guys out of the system.

Maybe that's why SETI can't find any intelligence in the cosmos.
Technology soon collapses when common sense isn't enough.

Bill Hawkins

-----Original Message-----
From: David Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:57 PM

At 1:38 PM -0400 4/28/09, Gretchen Baxter wrote:

Hi,

I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com

They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time

synchronization.

Anyone know of them?  Comments?

Thanx!

Gretchen

A brief persual of their website indicates that they are trying to
position themselves as the trusted source of time to lawyers, not
scientists.

I also noticed that the cool 3D clock they show in the upper corner of
their home page uses local PC time, not NIST time! (My home Mac is not
syncing properly to Apple's time server, so it's a good indicator of a
website's time source.)

So I don't have much faith in their service, if they can't even get
their website's clock right.

--

--David Forbes, Tucson, AZ
http://www.cathodecorner.com/

At the bottom of their web page is a link to an article on the limitations of LI GPS as a time source. It says that "reliance on L1 GPS for time-setting is very risky" Sounds like FUD to me. Didn't see anything about their claim to accuracy. Seems like they deliver lawyer time with NTP. An article on network security for process control systems (refinery, power, etc.) comments on the spread of partial knowledge. Governments make laws that are incomplete, plant managers don't want to spend more than they have to, lawyers tell them all they have to do is comply with the law. Result? Engineers can't get money to provide the security they know they need to keep the bad guys out of the system. Maybe that's why SETI can't find any intelligence in the cosmos. Technology soon collapses when common sense isn't enough. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: David Forbes Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:57 PM At 1:38 PM -0400 4/28/09, Gretchen Baxter wrote: >Hi, > >I came across the page of Certichron at www.certichron.com > >They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time synchronization. > >Anyone know of them? Comments? > >Thanx! > >Gretchen A brief persual of their website indicates that they are trying to position themselves as the trusted source of time to lawyers, not scientists. I also noticed that the cool 3D clock they show in the upper corner of their home page uses local PC time, not NIST time! (My home Mac is not syncing properly to Apple's time server, so it's a good indicator of a website's time source.) So I don't have much faith in their service, if they can't even get their website's clock right. -- --David Forbes, Tucson, AZ http://www.cathodecorner.com/