On 4/15/05 12:29 AM, "Joe Engel" joe@jre.com wrote:

No, you would suffer a loss. The whole point is that the sharing Wi-Fi is a
cost-free expression of charity...more like just looking at your car than
stealing it.

Bob

Robert Calhoun Smith Jr
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Wintering in Bradenton Florida

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, R C Smith Jr wrote:

Using someone's WiFi connection is not similar to looking at someone's
car!  Using WiFi would be more similar to using someone's car.  You
might not steal the car but take it for a little spin around the block.
And you might even put a few ounces of fuel back in the tank.  But it
still ain't right.

To put a more on-topic spin here, let's say you stop in at a marina for
the night.  The marina manager's car is parked next to the office.  Is
it reasonable for you to just borrow the manager's car to make a grocery
run?  Or should you ask first?  (And if he or she isn't around, you wait
until you find him/her.)  Just because the last marina manager made his
vehicle available doesn't mean you should expect and assume the same
treatment from this one.

Same thing with WiFi.  Just because some people let you use their WiFi
without cost doesn't mean you should expect it from everyone.  And it
certainly doesn't mean you should use it without asking, whether or not
the keys are readily accessible.

WiFi in a boating environment is certainly an interesting, and
appropriate, topic for this list. We've had some good information,
thoughts, advice, and suggestions. But . . . .

This topic, which is certainly tangentially related to the list's broad
purpose, is reaching the point it's going to implode due to the lack of
relevance! A discussion of the appropriate analogy is way off topic, and
serves absolutely no purpose related to boating.

Those of you who wish to continue debating the topic by analogy or wish
to continue challenging contributors' individual expertise, please take
it off-list. If you have something substantive relating to boating to
contribute, carry on.

Bob McLeran
T&T Listmeister

I have a wireless AP (overlooking a small marina) that I freely share with
those who would like to get their email or scan a few web pages etc,. It is
secured with a password which is available by simply calling my number,
which by the way is the name of my AP.  I have a lot of neighbors close to
my AP which I'm sure are too cheap to locate their own service provider and
as such would suck my bandwidth.  I personally jump on open AP's all the
time to update my email or check online status of something.  I would
however find it unethical to download a large file over someone elses
wireless access as it could possibly ruin their online experience.  For
example, if they are online gaming with an xbox for example a simple DSL
connection can quickly be maxed out.  By naming my AP with my phone number I
feel it is akin to having someone knock on the door before coming into my
house.  I may still be crazy for letting people access my router but I don't
care that's how I am.

Blake Carey

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Goyette
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:19 AM
To: R C Smith Jr
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Subject: Re: T&T: WiFi and cruising

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, R C Smith Jr wrote:

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Using someone's WiFi connection is not similar to looking at someone's
car!  Using WiFi would be more similar to using someone's car.  You
might not steal the car but take it for a little spin around the block.
And you might even put a few ounces of fuel back in the tank.  But it
still ain't right.

To put a more on-topic spin here, let's say you stop in at a marina for
the night.  The marina manager's car is parked next to the office.  Is
it reasonable for you to just borrow the manager's car to make a grocery
run?  Or should you ask first?  (And if he or she isn't around, you wait
until you find him/her.)  Just because the last marina manager made his
vehicle available doesn't mean you should expect and assume the same
treatment from this one.

Same thing with WiFi.  Just because some people let you use their WiFi
without cost doesn't mean you should expect it from everyone.  And it
certainly doesn't mean you should use it without asking, whether or not
the keys are readily accessible.

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