TWL: Re: Verizon Express
Last month there were a couple of posts that suggested (I thought) that it
was possible to access the Verizon Express network at no extra charge, using
voice minutes with any "Express Network capable" phone. Maybe not.
I have the America's Choice 400 plan and can use voice or data (Quick 2 Net
14.4 kpbs). I generally try to use the unlimited nights and weekends to
connect to the internet using the Mobile Office Kit and Verizon's Smith
Micro Quick Link Mobile software but the speed is slower than regular dial
up.
I tried to connect to the Express Network (1XRTT). The connect seemed to
work but the log on failed with the following message:
"Access denied because user name and/or password is
invalid on the domain."
This is about what I expected based on the "no free lunch" rule.
Is this supposed to work? Does it work for any others with voice plans?
Thanks
Jim Fidler "Fiddlesticks"
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.
Has anyone used this? Or heard about anyone who has?
Thanks,
~Brad
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Fidler
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:07 PM
To: TWL
Subject: TWL: Re: Verizon Express
Last month there were a couple of posts that suggested (I thought) that it
was possible to access the Verizon Express network at no extra
charge, using
voice minutes with any "Express Network capable" phone. Maybe not.
I have the America's Choice 400 plan and can use voice or data
(Quick 2 Net
14.4 kpbs). I generally try to use the unlimited nights and weekends to
connect to the internet using the Mobile Office Kit and Verizon's Smith
Micro Quick Link Mobile software but the speed is slower than regular dial
up.
I tried to connect to the Express Network (1XRTT). The connect seemed to
work but the log on failed with the following message:
"Access denied because user name and/or password is
invalid on the domain."
This is about what I expected based on the "no free lunch" rule.
Is this supposed to work? Does it work for any others with voice plans?
Thanks
Jim Fidler "Fiddlesticks"
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Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.
It's my understanding that you cannot use Direcway on a moving platform
short of having a budget rivaling the US Military. Positioning of the dish
for transmitting uplink to the satellite is too critical. The FCC requires
the dish to be land based and very securely mounted (I don't think they
allow you to even put it on a piling) and must be installed and aligned by a
licensed FCC technician. You can get a downlink (DirectPC) to a satellite
dish mounted on-board with a dish tracking device but would have to have
some means of uplink via cell phone, satellite phone, etc., with the
attendant cost of the phone...
Ray B.
I looked into this service several months ago in preparation for a Trawler
Fest Poulsbo presentation on Internet and E-mail service while boating.
I don't believe that you can legally or practically use the DirectWAY
service on a movable boat.
First, the antenna, being a two way system, must be installed by a licensed
FCC installer. Having an installer mount the antenna on a dock piling, then
moving it yourself to your boat is a violation of FCC laws. There is lots of
concern on having a misaligned antenna sending signals to a communications
satellite.
Second, the alignment process requires a land line for telephone
connectivity to the customer support center and the installer must be
talking to the people there for proper installation. This means that you
probably won't be able to align the antenna yourself the way you can do with
a receive-only TV receiver.
Both of the above items were verified by the local DirectWAY installer in
Anacortes, WA.
There is one company, Motosat, in Utah which makes a mobile two way antenna
system using DirectWAY. Their web site, www.motosat.com, has lots of
information on their antennas, designed for RV systems. The site clearly
indicates that their current version is only suitable for fixed locations
and that the auto-alignment system requires about 10 minutes and a fairly
high power PC to do the alignment. I started watching this site 18 months
ago and their "we will get FCC approval real soon" message took six months
before it was fulfilled. The FAQ section is required reading.
While the gear is now shipping (about $5,000, plus installing) the footprint
for the folded antenna is about a four foot square, kind of big for most
electronic arches. The actual antenna is nearly three feet wide by two feet
high. The web site does say that a marine unit is in study, but the VP of
Sales told me that 18 months ago and nothing has happened yet. I believe
that even being tied up to a dock could be problematic if there is any wave
action. I understand that a large RV being rocked by strong wind gusts can
loose signal linkup and require a re-alignment.
The DirectWAY service is sold by a third-party ISP and a reasonable usage
plan appeared to cost $80-100 monthly, plus cost for receiving the DirecTV
television feed (a totally separate service). I haven't been on their web
site recently. In current operational mode, DirectWAY is of use to those
folks who live outside of service areas for DSL and cable TV. Measured data
throughput seems to have an upload speed of 30-60 kbps (about the speed of a
dial-up connection) with download speeds of 200-400 kbps). Because of the
time delay in synchronous satellite communications, some on-line
applications may be very slow, particularly if they send and receive many
small data packets. Some time sensitive applications may fail by timing out.
I really wanted this service to work, but ....
Regards,
Bob Miller
M/V Loon Song
Anacortes, WA
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[mailto:trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Kingsley
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:06 PM
To: TWL
Subject: TWL: Internet access onboard -- was: Re: Verizon Express
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.
Has anyone used this? Or heard about anyone who has?
<snip>
Brad message has hit my PC over 40 times. Can't he be blocked for a short
time or is it just me. Now we need the Help Team. Ron Rogers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Kingsley" bklists@orcsweb.com
To: "TWL" trawler-world-list@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: TWL: Internet access onboard -- was: Re: Verizon Express
| Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
| high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
| automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
| speed access almost anywhere near the US.
|
| Has anyone used this? Or heard about anyone who has?
|
| Thanks,
|
| ~Brad
Hmmm. No problem on my end. Must be very selective.
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Bob Lowe wrote:
I have been getting a lot of repeats tonight as well. I posted this
question earlier and so are others. Don't know what it is, but seems pretty
much confined to TWL here.
I have been getting a lot of repeats tonight as well. I posted this
question earlier and so are others. Don't know what it is, but seems pretty
much confined to TWL here.
Bob Lowe
Brad message has hit my PC over 40 times. Can't he be blocked for a short
time or is it just me. Now we need the Help Team. Ron Rogers
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Goyette
Subject: Re: TWL: Repeated posts
Hmmm. No problem on my end. Must be very selective.
If it's selective - then it's sure picking on me! I've been getting repeated
posts all day long, many of them over and over.
No problems with any other mailing list that I'm on - TWL only.
Kevin
Brad message has hit my PC over 40 times. Can't he be blocked for a
short
time or is it just me.
Gentlemen,
I used to have this same problem when I used GTE.net as my ISP;
whenever Al Pilvinis would post, I would start getting repeats. As I
recall, the problem went away when I upgraded my email program (OE 5.0
to OE 5.5 I think). At any rate this appears to be some sort of
compatibility problem between the destination ISP and the destination
client. Basically, what happens is that your computer is sending the
"I got it" acknowledgement before your ISP has sent the "Did you get
it?" message. That causes the ISP to resend the message. Obviously,
the sender and/or his message header has something to do with this
process but blocking his messages would only defer rather than solve
the problem.
The fact that only a few of our members are reporting this situation
(most of whom are on Verizon) would indicate that this is not a glitch
in the TWL or Samurai.com systems.
My suggestion would be for all concerned (and especially Brad) to
check with their ISP's for explanations and solutions.
HTH,
Alex Hirsekorn
TWListmaster
Thank you Alex, I was afraid of that. I'd be interested if any other Comcast
subscriber is having this problem. It only happens with a few senders, but
these 31 (corrected figure) messages locked up my mail box on the ISP's
server. I'm running Outlook Express Version 6.
Repeatedly yours,
Ron Rogers
Jim Fidler wrote:
I tried to connect to the Express Network (1XRTT). The connect seemed to
work but the log on failed with the following message:
"Access denied because user name and/or password is
invalid on the domain."
Jim,
Are you using the following?
user: myphonenumber@vzw3g.com
password: vzw
phone #: 777
Also, do you have the faster modem script? You should be using:
VZW_1X_ON_115200
Bob
Robert Calhoun Smith Jr
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Marathon in the Florida Keys
Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.
Brad Kingsley wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard?
Here is KVH's system:
http://www.kvh.com/Products/Product.asp?id=57
Have not used it. Expensive.
Bob
Robert Calhoun Smith Jr
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Marathon in the Florida Keys
Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.
I'd be interested if any
other Comcast
subscriber is having this problem. It only happens with a few senders, but
these 31 (corrected figure) messages locked up my mail box on the ISP's
server. I'm running Outlook Express Version 6.
I am using Comcast and Outlook 2000 and have received a few (6 - 8) repeats
in the past 2 days, some from TWL, some from other senders.
Steve
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard?
Here is KVH's system:
http://www.kvh.com/Products/Product.asp?id=57
Note, KVH's system is not Directway - they use DirectPC for the downlink and
satellite phone for the uplink. $$$$!!
Ray B.
m/v MOJO
Ray is correct.
I had the beta code from Hughes Network Systems 3 years ago and got it to
work at the dock with a "follow-me-TV" unit, but it was always in error
recovery. Dave Dianich and Paul Capron advised against it. The margin for
error in satellite TV is 2-3 degrees. DirectWay (used to be DirecPC) has to
be right on the money and even though follow-me-tv's stepper motor operates
in 1/10th of a degree increments, it still isn't enough.
The oval dish also has "polarization" in addition to azimuth and elevation
which complicates the tuning. I'm told when Hughes replaces its "birds" the
new technology will allow a round dish with no "tilt" parameter and then we
should be able to operate from boats at anchor.
Another issue is you can actually mess up other peoples service if it isn't
tuned right, hence the "FCC installer" requirement.
My guess is Wifi might mature sooner.
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently moored in Fort Myers Beach, Estero Island, FL
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[mailto:trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of m/v MOJO
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:15 PM
To: TWL
Subject: TWL: Re: Internet access onboard -- was: Re: Verizon Express
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.
It's my understanding that you cannot use Direcway on a moving platform
short of having a budget rivaling the US Military. Positioning of the dish
for transmitting uplink to the satellite is too critical. The FCC requires
the dish to be land based and very securely mounted (I don't think they
allow you to even put it on a piling) and must be installed and aligned by a
licensed FCC technician. You can get a downlink (DirectPC) to a satellite
dish mounted on-board with a dish tracking device but would have to have
some means of uplink via cell phone, satellite phone, etc., with the
attendant cost of the phone...
Ray B.
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I use Direcway at home. It won't work on a boat due to 1.) criticality of
pointing, 2.)requires professional (licensed) technician to install and 3.)
they won't let you do it.
Believe, me, it is not an option. Accuracy in pointing (due to cross pole
requirement) is very fussy, requires adjustment to the proverbial gnat's
_ss. It took the installer over an hour to complete the alignment on my
dish. FCC regs require licensed installation since it is a transmitter to a
satellite.
For home use it is wonderful for those of us who live in rural areas where
there are no other broadband choices.
Now, I did see one installed on a monster RV, so I guess where there is a
will there is a way. The dish is about 4 feet across (oval) and weighs
about 70 lbs. with a three foot LNB arm. Hughes will disconnect you very
quickly if your cross pole deviates much since you can interfere with
adjacent transducers on the bird.
Frank
At 09:06 PM 1/22/2004 -0500, Brad Kingsley wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.
Has anyone used this? Or heard about anyone who has?
Thanks,
~
The only mobile Direcway system I am aware of is Datastorm and it is
intended for stationary mobile platforms such as a semi-truck or large
motorhome and need to be stabilized before put into operation. It will
automatically find and tune in the satellite. Too bad they don't have one
yet for boats. That I would like.
Good luck,
Bob Lowe
I use Direcway at home. It won't work on a boat due to 1.) criticality
of
pointing, 2.)requires professional (licensed) technician to install and 3.)
they won't let you do it.
Believe, me, it is not an option. Accuracy in pointing (due to cross pole
requirement) is very fussy, requires adjustment to the proverbial gnat's
_ss. It took the installer over an hour to complete the alignment on my
dish. FCC regs require licensed installation since it is a transmitter to a
satellite.
Now, I did see one installed on a monster RV, so I guess where there is a
will there is a way. The dish is about 4 feet across (oval) and weighs
about 70 lbs. with a three foot LNB arm. Hughes will disconnect you very
quickly if your cross pole deviates much since you can interfere with
adjacent transducers on the bird.
Frank
At 09:06 PM 1/22/2004 -0500, Brad Kingsley wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about the use of DirectWay onboard? It's
high-speed satellite Internet access. I guess you'd need one of those
automatic dish positioning thingies, but, in theory, you could get high
speed access almost anywhere near the US.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The only mobile Direcway system I am aware of is Datastorm and it is
intended for stationary mobile platforms such as a semi-truck or large
motorhome and need to be stabilized before put into operation. It will
automatically find and tune in the satellite. Too bad they don't have one
yet for boats. That I would like.
Datastorm on a boat? Take a look at this link, especially the picture at
the bottom of the page! Also note the cost of the beta unit!
http://www.motosat.com/f3betatest.htm
Ray B.
m/v MOJO
Actually, I think Direcway type systems will be available for boats in the
near future. The problem is with the precision alignment of the uplink.
The downlink is no problem; they have had that operational with DirecPC for
some time. The new phased array antennas will make installation on a boat
much easier and less conspicuous, leaving only the uplink transmitter to
deal with. I wish they would hurry though, we have to leave this summer to
head south and I want internet access onboard then! :)
Good luck,
Bob Lowe
www.MV-Dreamer.com
The only mobile Direcway system I am aware of is Datastorm and it is
intended for stationary mobile platforms such as a semi-truck or large
motorhome and need to be stabilized before put into operation. It will
automatically find and tune in the satellite. Too bad they don't have one
yet for boats. That I would like.
Datastorm on a boat? Take a look at this link, especially the picture at
the bottom of the page! Also note the cost of the beta unit!
http://www.motosat.com/f3betatest.htm
Ray B.
m/v MOJO
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