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w3ma@ccil.org

Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:02 PM

One of the first things I do in the morning is review the posts sent out
at midnight. Reading Bob's post about anchors (I think) and his
subsequent notice of his "spot" url, caused me to check on his location.
Well was I surprised, he was about to go by our beach house on Holden
Beach, NC. I calculated when he would pass the bridge, and went down to
take a picture and shout "hi." He probably wondered who in the world was
shouting my name! I'll need an email address Bob so I can send you the
pics when I get home.

John, W3MA
Holden Beach
also Bohemia River
Yankee Belle

One of the first things I do in the morning is review the posts sent out at midnight. Reading Bob's post about anchors (I think) and his subsequent notice of his "spot" url, caused me to check on his location. Well was I surprised, he was about to go by our beach house on Holden Beach, NC. I calculated when he would pass the bridge, and went down to take a picture and shout "hi." He probably wondered who in the world was shouting my name! I'll need an email address Bob so I can send you the pics when I get home. John, W3MA Holden Beach also Bohemia River Yankee Belle

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R C Smith Jr

Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:35 PM

John,

Mystery solved! Thanks for giving us a shout!

We would love to have the pics you took. Sending to this email address
should work just fine.

Now at Bald Head Island Marina, played some golf today in the blow. Heading
to Morehead in the AM, but will be stuck inside again due to winds.

Bob

Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr.
MV MARY KATHRYN
1977 Hatteras 58 LRC
Bald Head Island

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On 4/21/09 1:02 PM, "w3ma@ccil.org" w3ma@ccil.org wrote:

One of the first things I do in the morning is review the posts sent out
at midnight. Reading Bob's post about anchors (I think) and his
subsequent notice of his "spot" url, caused me to check on his location.
Well was I surprised, he was about to go by our beach house on Holden
Beach, NC. I calculated when he would pass the bridge, and went down to
take a picture and shout "hi." He probably wondered who in the world was
shouting my name! I'll need an email address Bob so I can send you the
pics when I get home.

John, W3MA
Holden Beach
also Bohemia River
Yankee Belle

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John, Mystery solved! Thanks for giving us a shout! We would love to have the pics you took. Sending to this email address should work just fine. Now at Bald Head Island Marina, played some golf today in the blow. Heading to Morehead in the AM, but will be stuck inside again due to winds. Bob _________________________ Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr. MV MARY KATHRYN 1977 Hatteras 58 LRC Bald Head Island Track our progress, click here: http://tinyurl.com/das38r On 4/21/09 1:02 PM, "w3ma@ccil.org" <w3ma@ccil.org> wrote: > One of the first things I do in the morning is review the posts sent out > at midnight. Reading Bob's post about anchors (I think) and his > subsequent notice of his "spot" url, caused me to check on his location. > Well was I surprised, he was about to go by our beach house on Holden > Beach, NC. I calculated when he would pass the bridge, and went down to > take a picture and shout "hi." He probably wondered who in the world was > shouting my name! I'll need an email address Bob so I can send you the > pics when I get home. > > John, W3MA > Holden Beach > also Bohemia River > Yankee Belle > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email > address, etc) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Jeffrey Siegel

Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34 AM

One of the really fun things about ActiveCaptain is that we get calls
from marinas about things that are important to them. By far the
largest number of calls this Spring has been about ValvTect. The
marinas usually want to know where they should show that they use it
and are part of the ValvTect Marine Fuel Program.

I've bought my share of fuel over the last few years and I've
certainly seen the ValvTect logo on a variety of fuel docks. I've
never given much thought about what it really does. I don't ever
remember seeing a discussion of it on here either.

Most of the marinas that are calling us are the ones who are using it
with gasoline. Some states, NH for example, now require boat gasoline
to include 10% Ethanol. Marinas feel that having ValvTect in their
gas removes the problems caused by Ethanol (water absorption, etc).

I read all of the ValvTect literature tonight and they definitely make
claims to suggest that ValvTect is a solution to the Ethanol problem.
What I really want to know is, does it really work?

Does anyone have any real experience about it?

---===
Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53RPH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

www.activecaptain.com
The Interactive Cruising Guidebook

..

One of the really fun things about ActiveCaptain is that we get calls from marinas about things that are important to them. By far the largest number of calls this Spring has been about ValvTect. The marinas usually want to know where they should show that they use it and are part of the ValvTect Marine Fuel Program. I've bought my share of fuel over the last few years and I've certainly seen the ValvTect logo on a variety of fuel docks. I've never given much thought about what it really does. I don't ever remember seeing a discussion of it on here either. Most of the marinas that are calling us are the ones who are using it with gasoline. Some states, NH for example, now require boat gasoline to include 10% Ethanol. Marinas feel that having ValvTect in their gas removes the problems caused by Ethanol (water absorption, etc). I read all of the ValvTect literature tonight and they definitely make claims to suggest that ValvTect is a solution to the Ethanol problem. What I really want to know is, does it really work? Does anyone have any real experience about it? ==================================== Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53RPH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine www.activecaptain.com The Interactive Cruising Guidebook ..

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Ryan R. Healy

Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20 AM

Does anyone have any real experience about it?

I've got this great beachfront property in Arizona that I'll give you a
steal of a deal on......

I have run E-10 in my boat, cars, lawnmowers, etc. for a number of years now
with no ill effects.

My personal opinion is that those who are having issues with E-10 are
probably owners of older boats that would normally be having fuel system
issues that crop up in boats 20-25 years old.

I'm not 100% convinced that all those marinas with Valv-Tect signage even
put the additive into their gas. My marina has Valv-Tect signs everywhere,
including right on the pump. I've personally followed the tanker truck from
the Shell gas station (that indicates E-10 being dispensed) to the front
gate at the marina (where allegedly it is not E-10 in the tanks). I've
asked the harbormaster, the dock attendants and just about everyone else who
puts the Valv-Tect additive into the fuel and once I was told it was done at
the refinery, but I'm usually looked at as if I just landed my spaceship at
the end of the pier.

I know there is a lot of commentary that suggests massive amounts of trouble
with old boats and E-10, but from my perspective, I'm just not seeing it. I
suspect that a lot of it has to do with old boats and old fuel system
components that probably need repair as it is.

I'm sure Valv-Tect is a good product, as most other fuel additives are,
however I suspect that just because the marina has a sign doesn't mean its
being delivered into your tanks.

So to answer your question, I see Valv-Tect signage everywhere. I do not
specifically go out of my way to only buy fuel where Valv-Tect signage is
present. I go through fuel quick enough that I'm not worried about it
stagnating in my tanks.

-Ryan

> Does anyone have any real experience about it? I've got this great beachfront property in Arizona that I'll give you a steal of a deal on...... I have run E-10 in my boat, cars, lawnmowers, etc. for a number of years now with no ill effects. My personal opinion is that those who are having issues with E-10 are probably owners of older boats that would normally be having fuel system issues that crop up in boats 20-25 years old. I'm not 100% convinced that all those marinas with Valv-Tect signage even put the additive into their gas. My marina has Valv-Tect signs everywhere, including right on the pump. I've personally followed the tanker truck from the Shell gas station (that indicates E-10 being dispensed) to the front gate at the marina (where allegedly it is not E-10 in the tanks). I've asked the harbormaster, the dock attendants and just about everyone else who puts the Valv-Tect additive into the fuel and once I was told it was done at the refinery, but I'm usually looked at as if I just landed my spaceship at the end of the pier. I know there is a lot of commentary that suggests massive amounts of trouble with old boats and E-10, but from my perspective, I'm just not seeing it. I suspect that a lot of it has to do with old boats and old fuel system components that probably need repair as it is. I'm sure Valv-Tect is a good product, as most other fuel additives are, however I suspect that just because the marina has a sign doesn't mean its being delivered into your tanks. So to answer your question, I see Valv-Tect signage everywhere. I do not specifically go out of my way to only buy fuel where Valv-Tect signage is present. I go through fuel quick enough that I'm not worried about it stagnating in my tanks. -Ryan

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Keith

Wed, Apr 22, 2009 12:17 PM

It's showing up a lot more around here. The basic benefit for a marina
operator to use then is that it can be cheaper. If you have a Texaco fuel
dock, you have to buy Texaco gasoline at their regular rates. If you have
Valvtect, they buy on the spot market to take advantage of lower prices here
and there.

Their additive package would probably be added when they load the truck, as
is done most everywhere. If you didn't know, all the refineries share
gasoline from a pool, constantly buying and selling from each other. The
only difference is in the additive package that gets metered in for final
delivery to the stations. The one exception to this would probably be
Amoco's crystal clear, since they refine it more highly and it is colorless
at the pump.

I can't speak for the gasoline, but I've used their diesel many times.
However, I still add my Startron diesel additive and Marvel Mystery Oil. How
do I pick which fuel to buy? Price.

Their web site is http://www.valvtect.com/marketing04.asp if you want to
read up on what they say.

Keith

-----Original Message-----

I read all of the ValvTect literature tonight and they definitely make
claims to suggest that ValvTect is a solution to the Ethanol problem.
What I really want to know is, does it really work?

Does anyone have any real experience about it?

---===
Jeffrey Siegel

It's showing up a lot more around here. The basic benefit for a marina operator to use then is that it can be cheaper. If you have a Texaco fuel dock, you have to buy Texaco gasoline at their regular rates. If you have Valvtect, they buy on the spot market to take advantage of lower prices here and there. Their additive package would probably be added when they load the truck, as is done most everywhere. If you didn't know, all the refineries share gasoline from a pool, constantly buying and selling from each other. The only difference is in the additive package that gets metered in for final delivery to the stations. The one exception to this would probably be Amoco's crystal clear, since they refine it more highly and it is colorless at the pump. I can't speak for the gasoline, but I've used their diesel many times. However, I still add my Startron diesel additive and Marvel Mystery Oil. How do I pick which fuel to buy? Price. Their web site is http://www.valvtect.com/marketing04.asp if you want to read up on what they say. Keith _____ -----Original Message----- I read all of the ValvTect literature tonight and they definitely make claims to suggest that ValvTect is a solution to the Ethanol problem. What I really want to know is, does it really work? Does anyone have any real experience about it? ==================================== Jeffrey Siegel

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Steve Sipe

Wed, Apr 22, 2009 12:34 PM

Ryan R. Healy wrote:

<snip> old boats and E-10, but from my perspective, I'm just not seeing it. I suspect that a lot of it has to do with old boats and old fuel system components that probably need repair as it is.

<snip> The E-10 issue is not unique to old boats. I posted a month or so ago about problems with my 5 yr old Yamaha, the carb was repeatedly cleaned and the idle problem was the direct result of phase separation of the fuel causing an obstruction in the idle jet. The problem is real, ask any Yamaha or other outboard dealer if they've done any carburetor work as a result of ethanol lately. I can guarantee you'll get a reaction! I am cruising full-time, the outboard is typically run 3 times a day, I'll turn 6 gal of fuel in less than a week. Still, the phase separation is occurring, but now it's in the fuel bowl of the filter, and the 10 micon element prevents that from getting into the carb where it works its magic.

I too, thought the E-10 issue was a result of sloppy maintenance, old
fuel, or old equipment until I experienced it 1st hand in my own
outboard. You should be fortunate enough to not experience the
aggravation of having to clean up an ethanol problem, but when you do,
you'll be a believer!

In researching the E-10 issue, I was not able to find any conclusive
information that Valv-Tect fuel does or does not contain E-10.

Steve Sipe
Solo 4303 "Maerin"
Coral Harbour, NP, Bahamas

Ryan R. Healy wrote: > <snip> > old boats and E-10, but from my perspective, I'm just not seeing it. > I suspect that a lot of it has to do with old boats and old fuel > system components that probably need repair as it is. > <snip> The E-10 issue is not unique to old boats. I posted a month or so ago about problems with my 5 yr old Yamaha, the carb was repeatedly cleaned and the idle problem was the direct result of phase separation of the fuel causing an obstruction in the idle jet. The problem is real, ask any Yamaha or other outboard dealer if they've done any carburetor work as a result of ethanol lately. I can guarantee you'll get a reaction! I am cruising full-time, the outboard is typically run 3 times a day, I'll turn 6 gal of fuel in less than a week. Still, the phase separation is occurring, but now it's in the fuel bowl of the filter, and the 10 micon element prevents that from getting into the carb where it works its magic. I too, thought the E-10 issue was a result of sloppy maintenance, old fuel, or old equipment until I experienced it 1st hand in my own outboard. You should be fortunate enough to not experience the aggravation of having to clean up an ethanol problem, but when you do, you'll be a believer! In researching the E-10 issue, I was not able to find any conclusive information that Valv-Tect fuel does or does not contain E-10. Steve Sipe Solo 4303 "Maerin" Coral Harbour, NP, Bahamas

JS

Jeffrey Siegel

Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:25 PM

In researching the E-10 issue, I was not able to find any conclusive
information that Valv-Tect fuel does or does not contain E-10.

ValvTect is a fuel additive. It isn't a brand of fuel type. All it
means is that a bottle/pail/tank of it was added to the fuel before it
is delivered to the end user. You can also purchase it yourself and
add it to your own fuel tanks (they have both gasoline and diesel
products).

From all of the public and private comments I received, it is so
obvious to me that ValvTect has not been able to get the message out
about what they do. In a nutshell, this is their own description from
their own site:

Ethanol gasoline destabilizes quickly and can prevent starting, cause
stalling and plug fuel filters. ValvTect Ethanol Gasoline Treatment is
test proven to stabilize fuel for up to one year. As established under
ASTM test procedures, it improved fuel stability 130% better than
enzyme fuel treatments. In the ASTM Water Interface test, ValvTect's
additive was 50% more effective than enzyme-based additives, thereby
better reducing the chance of phase separation. Additionally, ValvTect
was substantially more effective at preventing rust and corrosion.

It's interesting to note that today's Soundings Trade Only site as an
article about the EPA looking for comments for expanding the Ethanol
program to allow 15% Ethanol in gasoline:
http://tinyurl.com/dj4gzt

I would assume that in this case, more is not better for marine use.

While it's true that you can purchase Ethanol-free gasoline at many
marinas, there are some states that no longer allow this. You can bet
that will become more and more common and we'll soon all be using
Ethanol gasoline only.

My question still exists - if you have to purchase fuel that has
Ethanol in it, does anyone have any data to suggest that ValvTect will
actually work? I've read the marketing hype and press releases. If
you've had Ethanol problems, does this additive solve them?

---===
Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53RPH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

www.activecaptain.com
The Interactive Cruising Guidebook

..

> In researching the E-10 issue, I was not able to find any conclusive > information that Valv-Tect fuel does or does not contain E-10. > ValvTect is a fuel additive. It isn't a brand of fuel type. All it means is that a bottle/pail/tank of it was added to the fuel before it is delivered to the end user. You can also purchase it yourself and add it to your own fuel tanks (they have both gasoline and diesel products). From all of the public and private comments I received, it is so obvious to me that ValvTect has not been able to get the message out about what they do. In a nutshell, this is their own description from their own site: --------------------------------- Ethanol gasoline destabilizes quickly and can prevent starting, cause stalling and plug fuel filters. ValvTect Ethanol Gasoline Treatment is test proven to stabilize fuel for up to one year. As established under ASTM test procedures, it improved fuel stability 130% better than enzyme fuel treatments. In the ASTM Water Interface test, ValvTect's additive was 50% more effective than enzyme-based additives, thereby better reducing the chance of phase separation. Additionally, ValvTect was substantially more effective at preventing rust and corrosion. --------------------------------- It's interesting to note that today's Soundings Trade Only site as an article about the EPA looking for comments for expanding the Ethanol program to allow 15% Ethanol in gasoline: http://tinyurl.com/dj4gzt I would assume that in this case, more is not better for marine use. While it's true that you can purchase Ethanol-free gasoline at many marinas, there are some states that no longer allow this. You can bet that will become more and more common and we'll soon all be using Ethanol gasoline only. My question still exists - if you have to purchase fuel that has Ethanol in it, does anyone have any data to suggest that ValvTect will actually work? I've read the marketing hype and press releases. If you've had Ethanol problems, does this additive solve them? ==================================== Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53RPH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine www.activecaptain.com The Interactive Cruising Guidebook ..

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