"Pharo is Smalltalk inspired"

TM
Tim Mackinnon
Mon, Aug 4, 2014 8:09 PM

On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net wrote:

So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on the same page in person.  We can start doing that just two weeks from now (and over beer or equivalent).  I'm looking forward to it :).

So should we have a BOF about this in the pub  at ESUG 2014 this year?

Tim

On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud <avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on the same page in person. We can start doing that just two weeks from now (*and* over beer or equivalent). I'm looking forward to it :). So should we have a BOF about this in the pub at ESUG 2014 this year? Tim
JO
John O'Keefe
Tue, Aug 5, 2014 5:45 AM

Count me in.

John O'Keefe [|], CTO/Principal Smalltalk Architect
Instantiations Inc
On Aug 4, 2014 4:09 PM, "Tim Mackinnon" tim.mackinnon@testitworks.com
wrote:

On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud <
avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote:

So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on
the same page in person.  We can start doing that just two weeks from now
(and over beer or equivalent).  I'm looking forward to it :).

So should we have a BOF about this in the pub  at ESUG 2014 this year?

Tim


Esug-list mailing list
Esug-list@lists.esug.org
http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Count me in. John O'Keefe [|], CTO/Principal Smalltalk Architect Instantiations Inc On Aug 4, 2014 4:09 PM, "Tim Mackinnon" <tim.mackinnon@testitworks.com> wrote: > > On 31 Jul 2014, at 14:49, Andres Valloud < > avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > > So, ideally, those interested in tackling these challenges would get on > the same page in person. We can start doing that just two weeks from now > (*and* over beer or equivalent). I'm looking forward to it :). > > > > So should we have a BOF about this in the pub at ESUG 2014 this year? > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >
SP
Sean P. DeNigris
Tue, Aug 5, 2014 9:09 PM

drush66 wrote

"Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me

Bingo. It's a sound bite, which by definition presents one teeny-tiny side
of an issue in a way that we think will bring the most interest to Pharo.

Debating how "true" it is, or whether anyone should be insulted, is as
unproductive this time as it was in the thread from April with 98 posts
(http://forum.world.st/a-Pharo-talk-from-a-ruby-conference-td4756805.html).

The only potentially helpful discussion would be whether it's good
marketing, but the consensus among those of us in the Pharo community with
experience sharing to the outside programming community is that once most
programmers hear "Smalltalk" either:
<overdramatic list>

  • their eyes glaze over
  • they can't hear anything else you say over their own laughter, or
  • you take so long explaining that "'Smalltalk' is an idea, but most of the
    time people say 'Smalltalk' meaning 'Smalltalk-80', which is..." you're out
    of time
    </overdramatic list>
    Also, as programmers, who are notoriously terrible marketing people, it
    might be time to try something bold, turning our first instinct - which has
    been to hold dearly to marketing Smalltalk as such for 34 years - on its
    head...

Cheers,
Sean

View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-is-Smalltalk-inspired-tp4771115p4771904.html
Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

drush66 wrote > "Pharo is not Smalltalk", is just marketing speak for me Bingo. It's a sound bite, which by definition presents one teeny-tiny side of an issue in a way that we think will bring the most interest to Pharo. Debating how "true" it is, or whether anyone should be insulted, is as unproductive this time as it was in the thread from April with 98 posts (http://forum.world.st/a-Pharo-talk-from-a-ruby-conference-td4756805.html). The only potentially helpful discussion would be whether it's good marketing, but the consensus among those of us in the Pharo community with experience sharing to the outside programming community is that once most programmers hear "Smalltalk" either: <overdramatic list> - their eyes glaze over - they can't hear anything else you say over their own laughter, or - you take so long explaining that "'Smalltalk' is an idea, but most of the time people say 'Smalltalk' meaning 'Smalltalk-80', which is..." you're out of time </overdramatic list> Also, as programmers, who are notoriously terrible marketing people, it might be time to try something bold, turning our first instinct - which has been to hold dearly to marketing Smalltalk as such for 34 years - on its head... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-is-Smalltalk-inspired-tp4771115p4771904.html Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.