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Faure, Marin

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 2:18 AM

Have you ever been to a boat show where they have seminars..say on cruising

the Bahamas. many times it is filled with... make sure you stay south of such
and such until passing such and such. Or the Explorer chart books and cruising
guides...with hand drawn maps and routes. I equate this method to the
typewriter, useful still but not modern.

The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect,
advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it. But for me and my
wife, a big part of the enjoyment and adventure we get from taking the boat
out is the feeling that we are going somewhere no one else has gone before.
Now we are well aware that the chances of us actually going somewhere nobody
has gone before is just about zip up here in these popular and well-cruised
waters. But the nice thing about a boat is that after it's gone by and the
wake's disappeared the water doesn't look any different than it did to Capt.
Vancouver when he first showed up here in "Discovery" in 1792.

We also like the idea that the success of our trip is dependent solely on our
abilities. The ability to determine the course we want to follow, the ability
to navigate the boat along that course, the ability to properly interpret the
radar display if it's foggy, the ability to anchor or moor at the destination,
and so on. Neither of us is willing to turn any part of the process over to
anyone else because that will lessen the sense of achievement we get from the
trip.

We--- well, I more than my wife-- also like an element of risk in what we do.
I like knowing that if I screw up the course plotting or the navigation or the
anchoring or docking, there will be consequences, most of them bad. Which
means if I don't screw up, I get that much more out of the whole experience.
It's why I've flown floatplanes almost exclusively for the last thirty years
or so and not landplanes. I find landplanes rather boring anymore--- you take
off and land on a runway someone else made. The only challenge is staying on
it on the way out and lining up with it on the way in. But in a floatplane,
you have to determine where on the lake or bay is the best landing spot, you
have to figure out what the wind's doing by looking at the water and the trees
and all the other clues you learn, you have to make sure there aren't any
obstacles in the water, you have to figure out the best way to get the plane
to the beach or the dock, how you're going to get the plane off the beach and
away from the dock, and so forth. And the risk if I do any of it wrong? I
sink or damage a half-million dollar airplane.

This is why we like boating and have zero interest in RV-ing, where you follow
a road built by somebody else and park on a pad in an RV lot built by somebody
else. My dog can follow a road. While thinking about something else, like
dinner. My wife and I enjoy road trips to see new places but they have but a
tiny fraction of the challenge and sense of adventure we feel in taking the
boat out or a floatplane up.

Also, to us, the journey is as much a part of the experience as the
destination. In fact for me, it's most of the experience. Both of us are
always a bit disappointed when we actually get to where we're going and tie up
the boat or the plane.

Which is why we would have no interest whatsoever in following someone else's
courses to anywhere. I wouldn't even want to use someone else's course as a
"starting point." We want to start with a clean piece of paper, so to speak.
A big part of the fun for us in setting out a course, even to someplace we go
fairly routinely, is that it enhances that feeling of "exploration." Sure, we
use the guidebooks for our area to find out the best places to anchor and what
channels not to go through and where the rocks are in the anchorage. But to
simply load a route that someone else has plotted into the system and then
follow it--- that's like taking I-90 from Seattle to Spokane. It'll get us
there but what a boring, non-challenging, no-risk journey it will be.

Everyone wants something different out of boating. Our motivation, which is
the same reason I got into floatplane flying, is to get to places that are as
far removed, in environment if not distance, from "civilization" as possible.
We have no interest in "social boating." So anything, even something as
simple as plotting our own courses from scratch, that enhances that feeling
that we're getting away from the pack, is a Good Thing. The course we enter
may well duplicate to the inch the course someone took to the same place three
days earlier. But we don't want to know it.

C. Marin Faure
GB36-403 "La Perouse"
Bellingham, Washington

>Have you ever been to a boat show where they have seminars..say on cruising the Bahamas. many times it is filled with... make sure you stay south of such and such until passing such and such. Or the Explorer chart books and cruising guides...with hand drawn maps and routes. I equate this method to the typewriter, useful still but not modern. The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect, advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it. But for me and my wife, a big part of the enjoyment and adventure we get from taking the boat out is the feeling that we are going somewhere no one else has gone before. Now we are well aware that the chances of us actually going somewhere nobody has gone before is just about zip up here in these popular and well-cruised waters. But the nice thing about a boat is that after it's gone by and the wake's disappeared the water doesn't look any different than it did to Capt. Vancouver when he first showed up here in "Discovery" in 1792. We also like the idea that the success of our trip is dependent solely on our abilities. The ability to determine the course we want to follow, the ability to navigate the boat along that course, the ability to properly interpret the radar display if it's foggy, the ability to anchor or moor at the destination, and so on. Neither of us is willing to turn any part of the process over to anyone else because that will lessen the sense of achievement we get from the trip. We--- well, I more than my wife-- also like an element of risk in what we do. I like knowing that if I screw up the course plotting or the navigation or the anchoring or docking, there will be consequences, most of them bad. Which means if I don't screw up, I get that much more out of the whole experience. It's why I've flown floatplanes almost exclusively for the last thirty years or so and not landplanes. I find landplanes rather boring anymore--- you take off and land on a runway someone else made. The only challenge is staying on it on the way out and lining up with it on the way in. But in a floatplane, you have to determine where on the lake or bay is the best landing spot, you have to figure out what the wind's doing by looking at the water and the trees and all the other clues you learn, you have to make sure there aren't any obstacles in the water, you have to figure out the best way to get the plane to the beach or the dock, how you're going to get the plane off the beach and away from the dock, and so forth. And the risk if I do any of it wrong? I sink or damage a half-million dollar airplane. This is why we like boating and have zero interest in RV-ing, where you follow a road built by somebody else and park on a pad in an RV lot built by somebody else. My dog can follow a road. While thinking about something else, like dinner. My wife and I enjoy road trips to see new places but they have but a tiny fraction of the challenge and sense of adventure we feel in taking the boat out or a floatplane up. Also, to us, the journey is as much a part of the experience as the destination. In fact for me, it's most of the experience. Both of us are always a bit disappointed when we actually get to where we're going and tie up the boat or the plane. Which is why we would have no interest whatsoever in following someone else's courses to anywhere. I wouldn't even want to use someone else's course as a "starting point." We want to start with a clean piece of paper, so to speak. A big part of the fun for us in setting out a course, even to someplace we go fairly routinely, is that it enhances that feeling of "exploration." Sure, we use the guidebooks for our area to find out the best places to anchor and what channels not to go through and where the rocks are in the anchorage. But to simply load a route that someone else has plotted into the system and then follow it--- that's like taking I-90 from Seattle to Spokane. It'll get us there but what a boring, non-challenging, no-risk journey it will be. Everyone wants something different out of boating. Our motivation, which is the same reason I got into floatplane flying, is to get to places that are as far removed, in environment if not distance, from "civilization" as possible. We have no interest in "social boating." So anything, even something as simple as plotting our own courses from scratch, that enhances that feeling that we're getting away from the pack, is a Good Thing. The course we enter may well duplicate to the inch the course someone took to the same place three days earlier. But we don't want to know it. ______________________________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington

JW

Joel Wilkins

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:18 AM

While I understand completely your point of view and agree with the concept of
accomplishment, I feel time is too short, money too scarce to not avail myself
of others first hand knowledge.

If I am in a new town for a night for example, I usually ask for a good
restaurant. Not so that I go where everybody else is but to avoid the 10
mediocre ones I might have to wade through to get to the one real good one.
Now extend that to beach hopping, gunkholing, shallows avoiding and that sums
up my reasoning.

I do not know Capt Vancouver but would venture a guess that even he built on
others successes and failures for his voyages.

That's why boating is so much fun, everybody gets to do it their own way.
Regards, Joel

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Faure, Marin marin.faure@boeing.com wrote:

From: Faure, Marin marin.faure@boeing.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Route & track exchange
To: "trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com"
trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:18 PM

Have you ever been to a boat show where they have seminars..say on cruising

the Bahamas. many times it is filled with... make sure you stay south of such
and such until passing such and such. Or the Explorer chart books and
cruising
guides...with hand drawn maps and routes. I equate this method to the
typewriter, useful still but not modern.

The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect,
advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it. But for me and my
wife, a big part of the enjoyment and adventure we get from taking the boat
out is the feeling that we are going somewhere no one else has gone before.
Now we are well aware that the chances of us actually going somewhere nobody
has gone before is just about zip up here in these popular and well-cruised
waters. But the nice thing about a boat is that after it's gone by and the
wake's disappeared the water doesn't look any different than it did to Capt.
Vancouver when he first showed up here in "Discovery" in 1792.

We also like the idea that the success of our trip is dependent solely on our
abilities. The ability to determine the course we want to follow, the
ability
to navigate the boat along that course, the ability to properly interpret the
radar display if it's foggy, the ability to anchor or moor at the
destination,
and so on. Neither of us is willing to turn any part of the process over to
anyone else because that will lessen the sense of achievement we get from the
trip.

We--- well, I more than my wife-- also like an element of risk in what we do.
I like knowing that if I screw up the course plotting or the navigation or
the
anchoring or docking, there will be consequences, most of them bad. Which
means if I don't screw up, I get that much more out of the whole experience.
It's why I've flown floatplanes almost exclusively for the last thirty years
or so and not landplanes. I find landplanes rather boring anymore--- you
take
off and land on a runway someone else made. The only challenge is staying
on
it on the way out and lining up with it on the way in. But in a floatplane,
you have to determine where on the lake or bay is the best landing spot, you
have to figure out what the wind's doing by looking at the water and the
trees
and all the other clues you learn, you have to make sure there aren't any
obstacles in the water, you have to figure out the best way to get the plane
to the beach or the dock, how you're going to get the plane off the beach and
away from the dock, and so forth. And the risk if I do any of it wrong? I
sink or damage a half-million dollar airplane.

This is why we like boating and have zero interest in RV-ing, where you
follow
a road built by somebody else and park on a pad in an RV lot built by
somebody
else. My dog can follow a road. While thinking about something else, like
dinner. My wife and I enjoy road trips to see new places but they have but a
tiny fraction of the challenge and sense of adventure we feel in taking the
boat out or a floatplane up.

Also, to us, the journey is as much a part of the experience as the
destination. In fact for me, it's most of the experience. Both of us are
always a bit disappointed when we actually get to where we're going and tie
up
the boat or the plane.

Which is why we would have no interest whatsoever in following someone else's
courses to anywhere. I wouldn't even want to use someone else's course as a
"starting point." We want to start with a clean piece of paper, so to speak.
A big part of the fun for us in setting out a course, even to someplace we go
fairly routinely, is that it enhances that feeling of "exploration." Sure,
we
use the guidebooks for our area to find out the best places to anchor and
what
channels not to go through and where the rocks are in the anchorage. But to
simply load a route that someone else has plotted into the system and then
follow it--- that's like taking I-90 from Seattle to Spokane. It'll get us
there but what a boring, non-challenging, no-risk journey it will be.

Everyone wants something different out of boating. Our motivation, which is
the same reason I got into floatplane flying, is to get to places that are as
far removed, in environment if not distance, from "civilization" as possible.
We have no interest in "social boating." So anything, even something as
simple as plotting our own courses from scratch, that enhances that feeling
that we're getting away from the pack, is a Good Thing. The course we enter
may well duplicate to the inch the course someone took to the same place
three
days earlier. But we don't want to know it.

C. Marin Faure
GB36-403 "La Perouse"
Bellingham, Washington

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While I understand completely your point of view and agree with the concept of accomplishment, I feel time is too short, money too scarce to not avail myself of others first hand knowledge. If I am in a new town for a night for example, I usually ask for a good restaurant. Not so that I go where everybody else is but to avoid the 10 mediocre ones I might have to wade through to get to the one real good one. Now extend that to beach hopping, gunkholing, shallows avoiding and that sums up my reasoning. I do not know Capt Vancouver but would venture a guess that even he built on others successes and failures for his voyages. That's why boating is so much fun, everybody gets to do it their own way. Regards, Joel --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Faure, Marin <marin.faure@boeing.com> wrote: From: Faure, Marin <marin.faure@boeing.com> Subject: Re: T&T: Route & track exchange To: "trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com" <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:18 PM >Have you ever been to a boat show where they have seminars..say on cruising the Bahamas. many times it is filled with... make sure you stay south of such and such until passing such and such. Or the Explorer chart books and cruising guides...with hand drawn maps and routes. I equate this method to the typewriter, useful still but not modern. The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect, advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it. But for me and my wife, a big part of the enjoyment and adventure we get from taking the boat out is the feeling that we are going somewhere no one else has gone before. Now we are well aware that the chances of us actually going somewhere nobody has gone before is just about zip up here in these popular and well-cruised waters. But the nice thing about a boat is that after it's gone by and the wake's disappeared the water doesn't look any different than it did to Capt. Vancouver when he first showed up here in "Discovery" in 1792. We also like the idea that the success of our trip is dependent solely on our abilities. The ability to determine the course we want to follow, the ability to navigate the boat along that course, the ability to properly interpret the radar display if it's foggy, the ability to anchor or moor at the destination, and so on. Neither of us is willing to turn any part of the process over to anyone else because that will lessen the sense of achievement we get from the trip. We--- well, I more than my wife-- also like an element of risk in what we do. I like knowing that if I screw up the course plotting or the navigation or the anchoring or docking, there will be consequences, most of them bad. Which means if I don't screw up, I get that much more out of the whole experience. It's why I've flown floatplanes almost exclusively for the last thirty years or so and not landplanes. I find landplanes rather boring anymore--- you take off and land on a runway someone else made. The only challenge is staying on it on the way out and lining up with it on the way in. But in a floatplane, you have to determine where on the lake or bay is the best landing spot, you have to figure out what the wind's doing by looking at the water and the trees and all the other clues you learn, you have to make sure there aren't any obstacles in the water, you have to figure out the best way to get the plane to the beach or the dock, how you're going to get the plane off the beach and away from the dock, and so forth. And the risk if I do any of it wrong? I sink or damage a half-million dollar airplane. This is why we like boating and have zero interest in RV-ing, where you follow a road built by somebody else and park on a pad in an RV lot built by somebody else. My dog can follow a road. While thinking about something else, like dinner. My wife and I enjoy road trips to see new places but they have but a tiny fraction of the challenge and sense of adventure we feel in taking the boat out or a floatplane up. Also, to us, the journey is as much a part of the experience as the destination. In fact for me, it's most of the experience. Both of us are always a bit disappointed when we actually get to where we're going and tie up the boat or the plane. Which is why we would have no interest whatsoever in following someone else's courses to anywhere. I wouldn't even want to use someone else's course as a "starting point." We want to start with a clean piece of paper, so to speak. A big part of the fun for us in setting out a course, even to someplace we go fairly routinely, is that it enhances that feeling of "exploration." Sure, we use the guidebooks for our area to find out the best places to anchor and what channels not to go through and where the rocks are in the anchorage. But to simply load a route that someone else has plotted into the system and then follow it--- that's like taking I-90 from Seattle to Spokane. It'll get us there but what a boring, non-challenging, no-risk journey it will be. Everyone wants something different out of boating. Our motivation, which is the same reason I got into floatplane flying, is to get to places that are as far removed, in environment if not distance, from "civilization" as possible. We have no interest in "social boating." So anything, even something as simple as plotting our own courses from scratch, that enhances that feeling that we're getting away from the pack, is a Good Thing. The course we enter may well duplicate to the inch the course someone took to the same place three days earlier. But we don't want to know it. ______________________________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Rob

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:12 AM

""The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect,
advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it.""

Well said I agree with everything you said.

Rob Harrington-Johnson.
Sydney
Australia.

""The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect, advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it."" Well said I agree with everything you said. Rob Harrington-Johnson. Sydney Australia.

PR

Paige Reeves

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 10:52 AM

""The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect,
advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it.""

It's great that people are willing to share but I'm with Mr Faure on this.

I came across this quoatation which says it all for me "The message is the
journey, we are sure the answer lies in the destination. But in reality,
there is no station, no place to arrive at once and for all. The joy of life
is the trip, and the station is a dream that constantly out distances us.
Robert Hastings, The Station".

Paige

> ""The following is strictly my own approach to boating. I don't expect, > advocate, or even recommend that anyone else adhere to it."" > It's great that people are willing to share but I'm with Mr Faure on this. I came across this quoatation which says it all for me "The message is the journey, we are sure the answer lies in the destination. But in reality, there is no station, no place to arrive at once and for all. The joy of life is the trip, and the station is a dream that constantly out distances us. Robert Hastings, The Station". Paige

RC

R C Smith Jr

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 3:49 PM

Not only have I never thought of getting route info from others, I do not
even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all cruising
guides.)

Pre-chartplotters, I understood the convenience of having cumbersome
waypoint coordinates saved, but in this point-and-click world of "color
moving maps," I just don't see the need. I create and delete waypoints as I
use them...part of the fun. Guess I am...odd...so I will add it to the list.

MK oddities list (as pointed out by others):
I use my autopilot constantly, even in the ICW ditches.
I almost never turn on my stabilizers.
I love to use my rub rails when docking.
I cut all markers where the chart says I can.
I never use my fly bridge.
I drink the water in my tanks.

Bob

Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC
M/V MARY KATHRYN
1977 Hatteras 58 LRC
Lying Sunset Bay Marina
Stuart, FL

Not only have I never thought of getting route info from others, I do not even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all cruising guides.) Pre-chartplotters, I understood the convenience of having cumbersome waypoint coordinates saved, but in this point-and-click world of "color moving maps," I just don't see the need. I create and delete waypoints as I use them...part of the fun. Guess I am...odd...so I will add it to the list. MK oddities list (as pointed out by others): I use my autopilot constantly, even in the ICW ditches. I almost never turn on my stabilizers. I love to use my rub rails when docking. I cut all markers where the chart says I can. I never use my fly bridge. I drink the water in my tanks. Bob ________________ Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC M/V MARY KATHRYN 1977 Hatteras 58 LRC Lying Sunset Bay Marina Stuart, FL

BA

Bill Allen

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 3:53 PM

Must have something to do with having old hatts. Bill 43 dcmy
----- Original Message -----
From: "R C Smith Jr" rcsmith@garrett-smith.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: T&T: Route & track exchange

Not only have I never thought of getting route info from others, I do not
even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all cruising

Must have something to do with having old hatts. Bill 43 dcmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "R C Smith Jr" <rcsmith@garrett-smith.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: T&T: Route & track exchange > Not only have I never thought of getting route info from others, I do not > even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all cruising

RA

Rudy and Jill

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:24 PM

Not only have I never thought of
getting route info from others, I do not
even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all
cruising
guides.)

We too tend towards this philosophy. Gather what information that we think is necessary (well okay, maybe some times we don't), but plan the route ourselves.

The good news is that although we may make mistakes, they are our mistakes, thus we can be proud of them.

Without anyone else to blame, on our boat we seem to follow the philosophy of a bumper sticker that I saw recently, that said- "I didn't say it was your fault, I said that I am blaming you"!

Rudy and Jill
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl

> Not only have I never thought of > getting route info from others, I do not > even save my own. (However, I religiously buy and study all > cruising > guides.) We too tend towards this philosophy. Gather what information that we think is necessary (well okay, maybe some times we don't), but plan the route ourselves. The good news is that although we may make mistakes, they are our mistakes, thus we can be proud of them. Without anyone else to blame, on our boat we seem to follow the philosophy of a bumper sticker that I saw recently, that said- "I didn't say it was your fault, I said that I am blaming you"! Rudy and Jill Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl

JS

Jeffrey Siegel

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:36 PM

I can pretty much guarantee that route exchange with descriptions and
comments by others will be available for free in the future. If you
don't want to use someone else's route as a starting point for your
own, don't use it. It's an option...

On a related note, has anyone obtained and tried MaxSea/Furuno's Time
Zero software for Windows yet? It appears to be outstanding from the
videos I've seen. I'd really like to know what a real person thinks
of it. I've read everything that Ben Ellison has written about it but
would like some different perspectives. Feel free to contact me
offlist with any comments, etc.

---===
Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53RPH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

www.activecaptain.com
The Interactive Cruising Guidebook

Our cruising blog:
http://takingpaws.blogspot.com

Our live tracks:
http://tinyurl.com/ActiveCaptainSPOT

..

I can pretty much guarantee that route exchange with descriptions and comments by others will be available for free in the future. If you don't want to use someone else's route as a starting point for your own, don't use it. It's an option... On a related note, has anyone obtained and tried MaxSea/Furuno's Time Zero software for Windows yet? It appears to be outstanding from the videos I've seen. I'd really like to know what a real person thinks of it. I've read everything that Ben Ellison has written about it but would like some different perspectives. Feel free to contact me offlist with any comments, etc. ==================================== Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53RPH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine www.activecaptain.com The Interactive Cruising Guidebook Our cruising blog: http://takingpaws.blogspot.com Our live tracks: http://tinyurl.com/ActiveCaptainSPOT ..

KW

Ken Williams

Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:28 PM

Jeffrey Siegel asked, "...has anyone obtained and tried MaxSea/Furuno's Time

Zero software for Windows yet? ..."

I just received it yesterday. It is incredible, and will almost certainly
become my favorite charting package.

A few negatives:

It feels like a release 1.0 (which it is). Poor documentation, clunky
install (particularly of the charts)
No Windows 7 support (although, they say it is coming in January)
No S-63 chart support
Large hard drive requirement for the charts (not sure the total, but I've
installed about 6gb of charts and already and am just getting started)

A few positives:

It supports the 3-d cards, so panning and zooming are incredibly quick.
The user interface feels very intuitive. I like how you can shift time to
see future currents and tides
It's the best integrated support for downloading weather I've seen. You
just highlight a rectangle on the screen and ask it to download weather. So
far, it hasn't charged me.
It supports my screens full resolution. I'm running it at 1920x1200, and
can split the window in two
The 3d mode is slick, and fast. I like running with a 2d chart in one
window and a 3d chart in the other. You could also split the screen to have
a raster chart in one window, and vector in the other, or charting, plus
radar. (That said, I'm having trouble getting the radar to appear.)

I am early on the learning curve, and haven't figured a lot of things out,
so the above is just based on a cursory look at the product. One thing: I
had expected it to be based on the Navnet3d code base, and it does seem to
have much in common, plus appears to have good integration with Navnet3d.
However, it really is a different product, and doesn't have, or doesn't have
yet, many of the features of Navnet 3d, such as camera support, depth
sounder, arpa support, multiple screen support, etc.

It slightly annoyed me that the support is based in France. My questions to
support are responded to by someone for whom English is a "second language,"
and there is a lot of French mixed into the response. The good news is that
all questions have been answered within 24 hours, and they do claim Windows
7 support by January, whereas Nobeltec claims nothing.

I'm currently puzzling over how to import all my Nobeltec routes, tracks and
waypoints. I "think" there is a way, but it certainly isn't intuitive.

As to stability, there's no way to say. It is too early in the ballgame. Ask
me 10,000 miles from now...

Overall, it appears to be a revolutionary step forward, and something that
most users will love. However, it also feels like an immature product, and
less adventurous cruisers might want to give it a year or two to stabilize
before swapping over.

Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci

Jeffrey Siegel asked, "...has anyone obtained and tried MaxSea/Furuno's Time Zero software for Windows yet? ..." I just received it yesterday. It is incredible, and will almost certainly become my favorite charting package. A few negatives: - It feels like a release 1.0 (which it is). Poor documentation, clunky install (particularly of the charts) - No Windows 7 support (although, they say it is coming in January) - No S-63 chart support - Large hard drive requirement for the charts (not sure the total, but I've installed about 6gb of charts and already and am just getting started) A few positives: - It supports the 3-d cards, so panning and zooming are incredibly quick. - The user interface feels very intuitive. I like how you can shift time to see future currents and tides - It's the best integrated support for downloading weather I've seen. You just highlight a rectangle on the screen and ask it to download weather. So far, it hasn't charged me. - It supports my screens full resolution. I'm running it at 1920x1200, and can split the window in two - The 3d mode is slick, and fast. I like running with a 2d chart in one window and a 3d chart in the other. You could also split the screen to have a raster chart in one window, and vector in the other, or charting, plus radar. (That said, I'm having trouble getting the radar to appear.) I am early on the learning curve, and haven't figured a lot of things out, so the above is just based on a cursory look at the product. One thing: I had expected it to be based on the Navnet3d code base, and it does seem to have much in common, plus appears to have good integration with Navnet3d. However, it really is a different product, and doesn't have, or doesn't have yet, many of the features of Navnet 3d, such as camera support, depth sounder, arpa support, multiple screen support, etc. It slightly annoyed me that the support is based in France. My questions to support are responded to by someone for whom English is a "second language," and there is a lot of French mixed into the response. The good news is that all questions have been answered within 24 hours, and they do claim Windows 7 support by January, whereas Nobeltec claims nothing. I'm currently puzzling over how to import all my Nobeltec routes, tracks and waypoints. I "think" there is a way, but it certainly isn't intuitive. As to stability, there's no way to say. It is too early in the ballgame. Ask me 10,000 miles from now... Overall, it appears to be a revolutionary step forward, and something that most users will love. However, it also feels like an immature product, and less adventurous cruisers might want to give it a year or two to stabilize before swapping over. Ken Williams Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci

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Jeffrey Siegel

Wed, Nov 25, 2009 3:17 AM

I just received it yesterday. It is incredible, and will almost
certainly
become my favorite charting package.

I just installed MaxSea TimeZero Navigator and have been finally able
to mess around with it on a known computer without anyone watching
what I was doing. I hit it really hard with a $399 Toshiba laptop
running Vista and installed all of the raster and vector charts for
the US along with the 3D data and satellite imagery. I purposely
didn't use a really hot and high-end PC so I could see what it would
really be like. After using it all day and giving demos I honestly
think it is the most significant boating software released since the
first time I saw Nobeltec showing chart quilting - 1995 or so. The
speed and silky-smooth zooming and panning is impressive and unlike
anything I've ever seen. It will change the way you interact with a
nautical chart because moving around an entire coast is
instantaneous. It's incredible.

Karen told me that I'm not allowed to yell out, "come here - you've
got to see this!" for the next week.

Street pricing seems to be about $350. That's for the stand-alone
version. The version that connects to NavNet3D Furuno devices costs
more. I'll need to do some experiments with that eventually too.

I'll be playing a lot more with all of it - GPS experiments, etc. If
you find yourself in Charleston after the holiday, come over and let
me show you.

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Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53RPH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

www.activecaptain.com
The Interactive Cruising Guidebook

Our cruising blog:
http://takingpaws.blogspot.com

Our live tracks:
http://tinyurl.com/ActiveCaptainSPOT

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> I just received it yesterday. It is incredible, and will almost > certainly > become my favorite charting package. > I just installed MaxSea TimeZero Navigator and have been finally able to mess around with it on a known computer without anyone watching what I was doing. I hit it really hard with a $399 Toshiba laptop running Vista and installed all of the raster and vector charts for the US along with the 3D data and satellite imagery. I purposely didn't use a really hot and high-end PC so I could see what it would really be like. After using it all day and giving demos I honestly think it is the most significant boating software released since the first time I saw Nobeltec showing chart quilting - 1995 or so. The speed and silky-smooth zooming and panning is impressive and unlike anything I've ever seen. It will change the way you interact with a nautical chart because moving around an entire coast is instantaneous. It's incredible. Karen told me that I'm not allowed to yell out, "come here - you've got to see this!" for the next week. Street pricing seems to be about $350. That's for the stand-alone version. The version that connects to NavNet3D Furuno devices costs more. I'll need to do some experiments with that eventually too. I'll be playing a lot more with all of it - GPS experiments, etc. If you find yourself in Charleston after the holiday, come over and let me show you. ==================================== Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53RPH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine www.activecaptain.com The Interactive Cruising Guidebook Our cruising blog: http://takingpaws.blogspot.com Our live tracks: http://tinyurl.com/ActiveCaptainSPOT ..

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