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Re: T&T: Florida Tax Issues

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Ownyacht@aol.com
Mon, Dec 10, 2007 9:17 PM

The point as explained to me by the Venice Fish & Wildlife nazi is that  he
doesn't care if it is illegal to have both state and federal registration in
your home state...like CA or TX. You are not there anymore, you are in Florida
and the law states that you must be registered in some state to be in
Florida.

They don't require you to show state numbers on the side, only a  state
registration sticker. You must be registered in some state to get the  permit.

When he got me I had a choice to make because I was going to leave the boat
in Venice for two weeks. I couldn't register it back home in Texas because it
was not possible at the time to be both state and federally registered. I
checked into a Delaware state registration and if I had gotten that I could have
gotten a 90 day permit to stay in Florida. As it turned out, since I had
owned  the boat longer than 180 days, it made more sense to register it in
Florida and  be done with the issue. The cost was something like $150.00. One thing
that was  interesting is that while I was registering it at the courthouse two
supervisors  walked over to the window to see if the clerk had collected
Florida Sales Tax  from me. Both times the clerk responded: "He has owned the boat
for several  years."

R. Lee

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The point as explained to me by the Venice Fish & Wildlife nazi is that he doesn't care if it is illegal to have both state and federal registration in your home state...like CA or TX. You are not there anymore, you are in Florida and the law states that you must be registered in some state to be in Florida. They don't require you to show state numbers on the side, only a state registration sticker. You must be registered in some state to get the permit. When he got me I had a choice to make because I was going to leave the boat in Venice for two weeks. I couldn't register it back home in Texas because it was not possible at the time to be both state and federally registered. I checked into a Delaware state registration and if I had gotten that I could have gotten a 90 day permit to stay in Florida. As it turned out, since I had owned the boat longer than 180 days, it made more sense to register it in Florida and be done with the issue. The cost was something like $150.00. One thing that was interesting is that while I was registering it at the courthouse two supervisors walked over to the window to see if the clerk had collected Florida Sales Tax from me. Both times the clerk responded: "He has owned the boat for several years." R. Lee **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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dd0267@gregsteckel.com
Mon, Dec 10, 2007 9:52 PM

I was referring to a federal regulation, which supersedes any state
regulation that contradicts them.  Also, registration can mean different
things to different people.  When we talk about boat registration, we
generally refer to the state registration system that requires numbers
displayed in the format of FL 1234 BC; where the first two letters
designating the state.  A documented boat can NOT be registered in that type
of state system legally - this is a Federal law not a state law.  Now,
states can require documented boats to apply for and display a decal for
that state, which some folks may consider being a registration, but it is
not.  I think everyone on this list agrees that Venice cop is wrong when it
comes to the CFR on this issue.

Greg Steckel


From: Ownyacht@aol.com [mailto:Ownyacht@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:18 PM
To: dd0267@gregsteckel.com; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Florida Tax Issues

The point as explained to me by the Venice Fish & Wildlife nazi is that he
doesn't care if it is illegal to have both state and federal registration in
your home state...like CA or TX. You are not there anymore, you are in
Florida and the law states that you must be registered in some state to be
in Florida.

They don't require you to show state numbers on the side, only a state
registration sticker. You must be registered in some state to get the
permit.

When he got me I had a choice to make because I was going to leave the boat
in Venice for two weeks. I couldn't register it back home in Texas because
it was not possible at the time to be both state and federally registered. I
checked into a Delaware state registration and if I had gotten that I could
have gotten a 90 day permit to stay in Florida. As it turned out, since I
had owned the boat longer than 180 days, it made more sense to register it
in Florida and be done with the issue. The cost was something like $150.00.
One thing that was interesting is that while I was registering it at the
courthouse two supervisors walked over to the window to see if the clerk had
collected Florida Sales Tax from me. Both times the clerk responded: "He has
owned the boat for several years."

R. Lee


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I was referring to a federal regulation, which supersedes any state regulation that contradicts them. Also, registration can mean different things to different people. When we talk about boat registration, we generally refer to the state registration system that requires numbers displayed in the format of FL 1234 BC; where the first two letters designating the state. A documented boat can NOT be registered in that type of state system legally - this is a Federal law not a state law. Now, states can require documented boats to apply for and display a decal for that state, which some folks may consider being a registration, but it is not. I think everyone on this list agrees that Venice cop is wrong when it comes to the CFR on this issue. Greg Steckel _____ From: Ownyacht@aol.com [mailto:Ownyacht@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:18 PM To: dd0267@gregsteckel.com; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: T&T: Florida Tax Issues The point as explained to me by the Venice Fish & Wildlife nazi is that he doesn't care if it is illegal to have both state and federal registration in your home state...like CA or TX. You are not there anymore, you are in Florida and the law states that you must be registered in some state to be in Florida. They don't require you to show state numbers on the side, only a state registration sticker. You must be registered in some state to get the permit. When he got me I had a choice to make because I was going to leave the boat in Venice for two weeks. I couldn't register it back home in Texas because it was not possible at the time to be both state and federally registered. I checked into a Delaware state registration and if I had gotten that I could have gotten a 90 day permit to stay in Florida. As it turned out, since I had owned the boat longer than 180 days, it made more sense to register it in Florida and be done with the issue. The cost was something like $150.00. One thing that was interesting is that while I was registering it at the courthouse two supervisors walked over to the window to see if the clerk had collected Florida Sales Tax from me. Both times the clerk responded: "He has owned the boat for several years." R. Lee _____ See AOL's top <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004> rated recipes and easy <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003> ways to stay in shape for winter.
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Steve Sipe
Mon, Dec 10, 2007 10:09 PM

<snip>  I think everyone on this list agrees that Venice cop is wrong when it
comes to the CFR on this issue.

Greg Steckel

Be that as it may, possession is nine tenths of the law, especially when
it's a badge. You're not in any position to espouse law, fact, or any
other argument when confronted by an officer of the court. You can only
argue your case in front of a judge. Probably not something you'll want
to get involved in while you're cruising. So right, wrong, or otherwise,
you're going to have to pay up or shut up. Just be happy we are
forewarned of the issue and can be proactive in avoiding the schmuck. <G>

Steve Sipe

dd0267@gregsteckel.com wrote: > <snip> I think everyone on this list agrees that Venice cop is wrong when it > comes to the CFR on this issue. > > Greg Steckel > Be that as it may, possession is nine tenths of the law, especially when it's a badge. You're not in any position to espouse law, fact, or any other argument when confronted by an officer of the court. You can only argue your case in front of a judge. Probably not something you'll want to get involved in while you're cruising. So right, wrong, or otherwise, you're going to have to pay up or shut up. Just be happy we are forewarned of the issue and can be proactive in avoiding the schmuck. <G> Steve Sipe
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R C Smith Jr
Tue, Dec 11, 2007 9:20 PM

I was referring to a federal regulation, which supersedes any state
regulation that contradicts them.

An absolutely true, but, in practice, a wonderfully naive statement...and I
mean no disrespect to Greg. In general, local jurisdictions spend zero time
making sure their regs conform to federal or even state laws. Then how does
the system work? Well, exactly like the Marco Island anchoring mess: you
must sue the municipality.

My sour grapes are the federal fair housing laws that are pretty well
ignored throughout the country...

Sorry...now back to boating...

Bob


Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Jib Room
Marsh Harbour, Abaco
BAHAMAS

dd0267@gregsteckel.com wrote: > I was referring to a federal regulation, which supersedes any state > regulation that contradicts them. An absolutely true, but, in practice, a wonderfully naive statement...and I mean no disrespect to Greg. In general, local jurisdictions spend zero time making sure their regs conform to federal or even state laws. Then how does the system work? Well, exactly like the Marco Island anchoring mess: you must sue the municipality. My sour grapes are the federal fair housing laws that are pretty well ignored throughout the country... Sorry...now back to boating... Bob ________________ Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC M/V MARY KATHRYN Hatteras 58 LRC Jib Room Marsh Harbour, Abaco BAHAMAS