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Re: NOS Citizen Satellite Wave watch is excess to my needs

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Mike Monett
Mon, Sep 13, 2021 10:19 PM

I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and cheaper way
to put time on your wrist.

A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins and
Rugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST automatically and is
generally accurate to within 1/10 second. The battery is specified to last
for 2 years, but both of my watches have gone much longer.

The Waveceptor watches are available at
https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor
starting at USD$39.95

Waveceptor Manual
https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf

WWVB Coverage Area
https://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm

Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB

Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)"

JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB, but I
don't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the Waveceptor
City Code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY

There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You can
read them here:

"https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com"

Mike

I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and cheaper way to put time on your wrist. A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins and Rugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST automatically and is generally accurate to within 1/10 second. The battery is specified to last for 2 years, but both of my watches have gone much longer. The Waveceptor watches are available at https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor starting at USD$39.95 Waveceptor Manual https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf WWVB Coverage Area https://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)" JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB, but I don't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the Waveceptor City Code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You can read them here: "https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com" Mike
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James Perkins
Mon, Sep 13, 2021 10:53 PM

I've owned two of the Casio Waveceptor watches and they are rugged and
reasonably priced. I like a less cluttered face with no printed numbers on
the analog clock face, a single rectangular LCD for the advanced functions,
and a metal link band. The higher end Lineage line can provide titanium
case and band for light weight and sapphire crystal for a ~250 USD, or the
basic waveceptors with base metal or plastic case, stainless steel and
regular glass crystal start, as you say, around 40 USD. Since politicians
decide parameters of summer time, my model is old enough to support DST but
not the new days, so I have to manually move it from DST on to DST off. It
does support 24 time zones.

I had a Citizen aviator watch but it was too heavy and busy to be practical
for my wishes, and it disappeared at some point, I can't recall if it was
stolen or misplaced in a move. I still have my Casios, though!

With the proliferation of mobile phones, it does seem wrist and pocket
timepieces are becoming a thing of the past (unless you mean a smartwatch
or fitness tracker, oh I do wear one of those as well). My father has an
extensive collection of railroad pocket watches, and my granddad did clock
repair as a side business to maintaining time deposit safe clockworks, and
here I am writing a ESP-32 FreeRTOS application to use SNTP and weighted
linear regression smoothing with outlier rejection to design a smart home
wall clock (so it can handle the DST changes for me throughout the house),
so the interest in time runs in my family.

Cheers,
James

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mike Monett zak@teksavvy.com wrote:

I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and cheaper way
to put time on your wrist.

A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins and
Rugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST automatically and is
generally accurate to within 1/10 second. The battery is specified to last
for 2 years, but both of my watches have gone much longer.

The Waveceptor watches are available at
https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor
starting at USD$39.95

Waveceptor Manual
https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf

WWVB Coverage Area
https://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm

Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB

Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)"

JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB, but I
don't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the Waveceptor
City Code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY

There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You can
read them here:

"https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com"

Mike


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I've owned two of the Casio Waveceptor watches and they are rugged and reasonably priced. I like a less cluttered face with no printed numbers on the analog clock face, a single rectangular LCD for the advanced functions, and a metal link band. The higher end Lineage line can provide titanium case and band for light weight and sapphire crystal for a ~250 USD, or the basic waveceptors with base metal or plastic case, stainless steel and regular glass crystal start, as you say, around 40 USD. Since politicians decide parameters of summer time, my model is old enough to support DST but not the new days, so I have to manually move it from DST on to DST off. It does support 24 time zones. I had a Citizen aviator watch but it was too heavy and busy to be practical for my wishes, and it disappeared at some point, I can't recall if it was stolen or misplaced in a move. I still have my Casios, though! With the proliferation of mobile phones, it does seem wrist and pocket timepieces are becoming a thing of the past (unless you mean a smartwatch or fitness tracker, oh I do wear one of those as well). My father has an extensive collection of railroad pocket watches, and my granddad did clock repair as a side business to maintaining time deposit safe clockworks, and here I am writing a ESP-32 FreeRTOS application to use SNTP and weighted linear regression smoothing with outlier rejection to design a smart home wall clock (so it can handle the DST changes for me throughout the house), so the interest in time runs in my family. Cheers, James On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mike Monett <zak@teksavvy.com> wrote: > I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and cheaper way > to put time on your wrist. > > A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins and > Rugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST automatically and is > generally accurate to within 1/10 second. The battery is specified to last > for 2 years, but both of my watches have gone much longer. > > The Waveceptor watches are available at > https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor > starting at USD$39.95 > > Waveceptor Manual > https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf > > WWVB Coverage Area > https://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm > > Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB > > Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal > "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)" > > JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB, but I > don't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the Waveceptor > City Code. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY > > There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You can > read them here: > > "https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com" > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send > an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there. > > -- James Perkins <james@loowit.net> KN1X www.loowit.net/~james 2030 W 28th Ave, Eugene OR 97405 +1.971.344.3969 mobile Alternate email: <opalmirror@gmail.com>
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Shawn
Mon, Sep 13, 2021 10:54 PM

I have to echo Mike's comments.  Been a WaveCeptor customer for a
while, I own two.  I have been watching the Citizen offering and I am
intrigued by the offering, not sure the current budgetbwould allow the
expense (recently retired). I have one unit thT MUST BE ABOUT 12 YEARS
OLD NOW AND THE BATTERY IS STILL HOLDING ON, NOT SURE HOW MUCH LONGER
THAT WILL BE THE CASE AND i MAY'VE JUST JINX'D it ;-)

On Mon, 2021-09-13 at 18:19 -0400, Mike Monett wrote:

I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and
cheaper wayto put time on your wrist.
A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins
andRugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST
automatically and isgenerally accurate to within 1/10 second. The
battery is specified to lastfor 2 years, but both of my watches have
gone much longer.
The Waveceptor watches are available at
https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor
starting at USD$39.95
Waveceptor Manual
https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf

WWVB Coverage Areahttps://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm

Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB

Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)"
JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB,
but Idon't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the
WaveceptorCity Code.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY

There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You
canread them here:
"
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com
"
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I have to echo Mike's comments. Been a WaveCeptor customer for a while, I own two. I have been watching the Citizen offering and I am intrigued by the offering, not sure the current budgetbwould allow the expense (recently retired). I have one unit thT MUST BE ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD NOW AND THE BATTERY IS STILL HOLDING ON, NOT SURE HOW MUCH LONGER THAT WILL BE THE CASE AND i MAY'VE JUST JINX'D it ;-) On Mon, 2021-09-13 at 18:19 -0400, Mike Monett wrote: > I don't know if this post will work, but there is a simpler and > cheaper wayto put time on your wrist. > A Casio Waveceptor Atomic Watch receives WWVB time from Fort Collins > andRugby, England each night. It switches to and from DST > automatically and isgenerally accurate to within 1/10 second. The > battery is specified to lastfor 2 years, but both of my watches have > gone much longer. > The Waveceptor watches are available at > https://www.casio.com/products/watches/wave-ceptor > starting at USD$39.95 > Waveceptor Manual > https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3054.pdf > > WWVB Coverage Areahttps://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm > > Fort Collins, Colorado 60 KHz time signal > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB > > Rugby, England 60 KHz time signal" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_from_NPL_(MSF)" > JJY in Japan also transmits on 60 KHz with a similar format to WWVB, > but Idon't know if the Waveceptor will receive it. It is not in the > WaveceptorCity Code. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JJY > > There are 683 posts that refer to WWVB in the time-nuts archives. You > canread them here: > " > https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=wwvb&l=time-nuts%40lists.febo.com > " > Mike_______________________________________________time-nuts mailing > list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to > time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there.