Wait a sec here. You run your generator to cook in the morning and add a few amps back" everyday? You do not cook electrically but use propane? Yet you use 50 AH a day. You don't use any fans even in that Florida heat? You don't use a pressure water system? You don't use electric flush toilets? You never make coffee or heat anything after breakfast time? No ice-maker? No electric davit for the dinghy? No pressure water to clean the anchor? Never vacuum the boat? Never run the VHF at anchor. And you have no main inverter. So if you did not run your generator to do your morning routine and you did not add amp hours back into your bank. And if you had a boat that uses the microwave more than once a day, or has electric toilets, or pressure water system pump, or fans, and runs more electronics than just a laptop and stereo, and had an inverter which itself consumes amps, which is a more typical a situation than your setup... Then it's pretty easy to see using 150 to 200 AH per 24 hours. I'm not knocking your system. It sounds very nice. But let's compare apples to apples here. We were talking no generator, a main inverter and a typical modern motoryacht with all the stuff we love to run. I mean up here, we also run electric blankets in the winter <G>. Joe Engel Portland, OR -----Original Message----- From: Bob McLeran [mailto:rmcleran@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:14 PM To: Trawler World List Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Thanks, about batteries and inverters My experience is a little different than what Joe suggests. Here's what I generally use when anchored out in Florida: <snip>

Concerning typical modern motoryachts and (quote) "all the stuff we love to run", I find the comments of Joe Engel very interesting. We're talking of 2 different worlds here. I'm 50 years old and have a fairly big boat, 40 foot, but maybe because I come from the sailing world, no I don't have fans. And no pressure water system, I still use a hand pump. Toilet is almost a bucket, shower works by gravity, with the hot water in a black tank on the roof... No ice maker either and certainly not pressure water to clean the anchor. I let it drag a few seconds in the water. No vacuum, just a broom and no electric davit for the dinghy and the anchor. All by hand, with proper pulleys. Yes, I'm sometimes exhausted at the end of the day. But I don't need to do a 10km jogging or lift weights for 2 hours just to keep in shape. I am in shape, using my own power (1/4 HP, is that correct?). And I thought being minimalist was cool and a good way to remember the "bourgeois" world I come from. I realize how much I'm still in 19th century. Or maybe I miss sailing ? Ben > Wait a sec here. You don't use any fans even in that > Florida heat? You don't use a pressure water system? You don't use > electric flush toilets? You never make coffee or heat anything after > breakfast time? No ice-maker? No electric davit for the dinghy? No > pressure water to clean the anchor? Never vacuum the boat? Never run > the VHF at anchor. And you have no main inverter. > > I'm not knocking your system. It sounds very nice. But let's compare > apples to apples here. We were talking no generator, a main inverter > and a typical modern motoryacht with all the stuff we love to run. I > mean up here, we also run electric blankets in the winter <G>. >

bv wrote: > I'm 50 years old and have a fairly big boat, 40 foot, but maybe because I > come from the sailing world, no I don't have fans. And no pressure water > system, I still use a hand pump. Toilet is almost a bucket, shower works by > gravity, with the hot water in a black tank on the roof... No ice maker > either and certainly not pressure water to clean the anchor. I let it drag a > few seconds in the water. No vacuum, just a broom and no electric davit for > the dinghy and the anchor. All by hand, with proper pulleys. Ben, if you have female companionship, I will eat my shoes! Bob ________________ R C Smith Jr M/V MARY KATHRYN Hatteras 58 LRC Visiting Capital Yacht Club Washington, DC

So, that's why?! Don't eat your shoes... Ben > > Ben, if you have female companionship, I will eat my shoes! > > Bob > ________________ > R C Smith Jr > M/V MARY KATHRYN > Hatteras 58 LRC > Visiting Capital Yacht Club > Washington, DC > > >