Hi Bob: I had not heard that the "Sea Trials" were done here (on the West Coast) w/o the surveyor. I would not allow that. The last surveyors we took out on a sea trial (both engine and boat guys together) did a great job. The boat surveyor opened that sucker to WOT and left it there while the engine survey guy was below watching for bad things to happen. The boat guy was turning all the electronics on and maxing out the electrical stuff while the boat crashed around at 28 knots in rough seas. All part of the deal in my opinion. The selling broker almost had a heart attack. The owner was absent. I dunno what would have happened if we'd blown an engine except that I would have just deducted the cost from my offer or quietly disembarked and vanished. <g>. -----Original Message----- From: Thataway@aol.com [mailto:Thataway@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:46 AM To: trawler-world-buy-sell-trade@samurai.com Subject: Re: BST: RE: Surveyor site Joe gives excellent advice. I found things a little different on the East coast than the West coast. Out West it was common to do sea trials without the surveyor, here it is common to to sea trials with the surveyor and the owner aboard. In the case of the trawler I purchased, the owner refused to leave the boat during survey and objected to some "deep" looking that the surveror was doing. I would second the material about the engine surveys, and suggest that a factory authorized mechanic do this survey and it be at a different time than the hull survey. Bob Austin

It is good practice to have written into the presale agreement that all risks of loss remains with the Seller until closing. -- Nick Meloy mulatfl@pcola.gulf.net (850) 994-6165 Joe Engel wrote: > Hi Bob: > > > > I dunno what would have happened if we'd blown an engine except that I would > have just deducted the cost from my offer or quietly disembarked and > vanished. <g>. >

I subscribed to this (BST) to learn about Trawlers that were offered for sale. Instead I get this pointless (and mindless!) discussion about brokers and whether they can be trusted which has been going on for two weeks! Meanwhile, not one offering of a Trawler. Please drop my subscription. Thank you. btp674@ concentric.net Nick Meloy wrote: > It is good practice to have written into the presale agreement that all risks of > loss remains with the Seller until closing. > > -- > Nick Meloy > mulatfl@pcola.gulf.net > (850) 994-6165 > > Joe Engel wrote: > > > Hi Bob: > > > > > > > > I dunno what would have happened if we'd blown an engine except that I would > > have just deducted the cost from my offer or quietly disembarked and > > vanished. <g>. > >

> It is good practice to have written into the presale agreement that all risks of > loss remains with the Seller until closing. > FWIW, George Buehler, in his book "The Troller Yacht Book" on page 119 in the section entitled Surveying says, "Remember, you're responsible for any damage done to the boat during the inspection, and if you don't buy the boat you must fix what you've done. Basic courtesy and honesty should make this obvious, but don't expect the seller to allow a survey until he's received a decent 'earnest money' deposit, which can be used to put the boat back in the same shape as before the survey if the deal goes sour." Rick Austin in Austin