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Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Performance: DDS noise effect on 10 MHz

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EWKehren@aol.com
Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:14 AM

Maybe his are new. But I bought one from ggg*fitting that was listed as new
turned out very used, and in conversation with them they had to admit they
do  not know what they have. If it still has its original factory setting,
measuring  the frequency will tell you if it had extensive running time or
not.
Bert Kehren

In a message dated 2/4/2012 4:44:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jmiles@pop.net writes:

From your comments, it sounds like you may be measuring  one of the
earlier 5680A's that could be tuned over a large range with  a DDS output.

These earlier ones had a 50.25 MHz internal osc  which was locked after
multiplication to the rubidium frequency. Then  there was a DDS on the
output that could be programmed over a wide  frequency range.

That sounds plausible.  I haven't taken the  time to bring myself 100% up
to
speed with the many different variations  and options for these little
boxes,
but I could swear I'm looking at a  low-resolution, unfiltered, uncleaned-up
DDS.

The newer ones  have a 60 MHz internal oscillator. This is multiplied up
to 6840 MHz  and subtractively mixed with ~5.3125 MHz from a DDS to get
to the  rubidium frequency. The feedback from the rubidium cell locks the
60  Hz which is divided by 6 for the 10 MHz output. No DDS on the output
generation. The DDS in the loop can digitally adjust the rubidium lock
frequency that tunes the 60 MHz, to fine tune the output only around  10
MHz.

Do you know which type of 5680A you are  measuring?

This one is marked S/N 0339-65969, purchased  from
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260930018124 .  It seems to have the  pinout
documented at http://vk2xv.djirra.com/tech_rubidium.htm for  serial
0127-96634 (pin 1=V+, pin 2=GND, pin 3=+5V, pin 7=RF  out.)  However, VK2XV
claims that s/n 96634 was  non-programmable.  I haven't tried hooking up a
serial terminal to  mine, but I did notice that there was some negative
voltage on one of the  other pins (9?) that might correspond to an RS-232
signal  level.

Can't complain too much at $40/each, anyway  I believe the  seller's claim
that these are new or nearly so, even though they look like  they've been
removed from an installation.  The internal foam  insulation is usually
discolored from heat, while it looks great in the two  units that I bought
from this seller.

--  john


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Maybe his are new. But I bought one from ggg*fitting that was listed as new turned out very used, and in conversation with them they had to admit they do not know what they have. If it still has its original factory setting, measuring the frequency will tell you if it had extensive running time or not. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/4/2012 4:44:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmiles@pop.net writes: > From your comments, it sounds like you may be measuring one of the > earlier 5680A's that could be tuned over a large range with a DDS output. > > These earlier ones had a 50.25 MHz internal osc which was locked after > multiplication to the rubidium frequency. Then there was a DDS on the > output that could be programmed over a wide frequency range. That sounds plausible. I haven't taken the time to bring myself 100% up to speed with the many different variations and options for these little boxes, but I could swear I'm looking at a low-resolution, unfiltered, uncleaned-up DDS. > The newer ones have a 60 MHz internal oscillator. This is multiplied up > to 6840 MHz and subtractively mixed with ~5.3125 MHz from a DDS to get > to the rubidium frequency. The feedback from the rubidium cell locks the > 60 Hz which is divided by 6 for the 10 MHz output. No DDS on the output > generation. The DDS in the loop can digitally adjust the rubidium lock > frequency that tunes the 60 MHz, to fine tune the output only around 10 > MHz. > > Do you know which type of 5680A you are measuring? This one is marked S/N 0339-65969, purchased from http://www.ebay.com/itm/260930018124 . It seems to have the pinout documented at http://vk2xv.djirra.com/tech_rubidium.htm for serial 0127-96634 (pin 1=V+, pin 2=GND, pin 3=+5V, pin 7=RF out.) However, VK2XV claims that s/n 96634 was non-programmable. I haven't tried hooking up a serial terminal to mine, but I did notice that there was some negative voltage on one of the other pins (9?) that might correspond to an RS-232 signal level. Can't complain too much at $40/each, anyway I believe the seller's claim that these are new or nearly so, even though they look like they've been removed from an installation. The internal foam insulation is usually discolored from heat, while it looks great in the two units that I bought from this seller. -- john _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.