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TWL: Hypothermia - Was PFD's for children - required

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e16@telus.net
Sat, Mar 2, 2002 10:29 PM

Stupidity - in adults at least - is its own reward. I know this to be
true from too many personal experiences, so far, obviously, none fatal.

I used to keep my 25' sailboat at a mooring in front of our cottage. The
lake freezes hard for almost 5 months in Ontario winters, so I'd usually
haul the boat in mid-September, but a few years ago the autumn was so
beautiful that I left it in for an extra month. The haul-out was never
much of a problem, but I always hated the awkward and messy business of
having to scrub the bottom while it was on the trailer. This particular
year, a very dim light bulb clicked on in my mind and I decided to do
the scrub before the haul-out.

The water was cold when I first went in, but us northern folk are hardy
and used to it, so I swam out and did the job without having told anyone
what I intended. Slowly but surely, without feeling the loss of body
heat, I started to lose the capacity for rational thought, but
fortunately, another even dimmer bulb came on and I sensed I had to get
out immediately. However, it was close to being too late, for I had
hardly a clue as to where I was or what I was doing, and found that my
ability to swim the 50 yards to shore was sorely tested. I made it, of
course, and managed to haul myself onto the dock. As I lay there, I
started to shiver, and while I eventually managed to get to the cottage
and wrap myself in blankets, the shivering continued for several hours.
I soon realized how foolish I'd been and what a near miss I had had. The
frightening thing is that while I was in the water there was no
particular discomfort, just the sense at one point, for whatever reason,
that I was slowly but steadily slipping away and had to get out.

Since the ocean waters around the PNW average about 9-10 degrees C in
the winter and perhaps 12-13 in the summer, it doesn't take very long
for hypothermia to set in. We carry lots of life jackets and wear them
whenever it seems there is any possibility of problems, eg always when
using the dinghy, and a couple of survival suits as insurance against
disaster.

The trouble with rules, however, is that the people for whom they are
intended are the very ones who usually won't/don't follow them eg
drinking drivers, and their victims are usually the unsuspecting
innocents who are doing the right things.

Cheers, Garrett

Stupidity - in adults at least - is its own reward. I know this to be true from too many personal experiences, so far, obviously, none fatal. I used to keep my 25' sailboat at a mooring in front of our cottage. The lake freezes hard for almost 5 months in Ontario winters, so I'd usually haul the boat in mid-September, but a few years ago the autumn was so beautiful that I left it in for an extra month. The haul-out was never much of a problem, but I always hated the awkward and messy business of having to scrub the bottom while it was on the trailer. This particular year, a very dim light bulb clicked on in my mind and I decided to do the scrub before the haul-out. The water was cold when I first went in, but us northern folk are hardy and used to it, so I swam out and did the job without having told anyone what I intended. Slowly but surely, without feeling the loss of body heat, I started to lose the capacity for rational thought, but fortunately, another even dimmer bulb came on and I sensed I had to get out immediately. However, it was close to being too late, for I had hardly a clue as to where I was or what I was doing, and found that my ability to swim the 50 yards to shore was sorely tested. I made it, of course, and managed to haul myself onto the dock. As I lay there, I started to shiver, and while I eventually managed to get to the cottage and wrap myself in blankets, the shivering continued for several hours. I soon realized how foolish I'd been and what a near miss I had had. The frightening thing is that while I was in the water there was no particular discomfort, just the sense at one point, for whatever reason, that I was slowly but steadily slipping away and had to get out. Since the ocean waters around the PNW average about 9-10 degrees C in the winter and perhaps 12-13 in the summer, it doesn't take very long for hypothermia to set in. We carry lots of life jackets and wear them whenever it seems there is any possibility of problems, eg always when using the dinghy, and a couple of survival suits as insurance against disaster. The trouble with rules, however, is that the people for whom they are intended are the very ones who usually won't/don't follow them eg drinking drivers, and their victims are usually the unsuspecting innocents who are doing the right things. Cheers, Garrett
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miahpaih@terra.es
Sun, Mar 3, 2002 6:55 PM

Dear Garret
Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is
said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found
a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North
Sea after bombing England.
Even they made worse thinks like injecting benzin to them (prisioners), they
finally discovered the best way to recover from hypotermia was to bring them
in bed with 2 young ladies.
So better than blankets you know what to do next time, if not better to
recovery, maybe something better to remember.
Regards
Luis / Spain

Dear Garret Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North Sea after bombing England. Even they made worse thinks like injecting benzin to them (prisioners), they finally discovered the best way to recover from hypotermia was to bring them in bed with 2 young ladies. So better than blankets you know what to do next time, if not better to recovery, maybe something better to remember. Regards Luis / Spain
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Sun, Mar 3, 2002 7:21 PM

they finally discovered the best way to recover from hypotermia was to bring the pilots in bed with 2 young ladies.... if not better to recovery, maybe something better to remember.

Works even better if they all take their clothes off first. Hypothermia not absolutely required...

miahpaih@terra.es writes: >they finally discovered the best way to recover from hypotermia was to bring the pilots in bed with 2 young ladies.... if not better to recovery, maybe something better to remember. Works even better if they all take their clothes off first. Hypothermia not absolutely required...
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elnav@uniserve.com
Sun, Mar 3, 2002 8:05 PM

At 07:55 PM 03/03/2002 +0100, Luis Martinez wrote:

Dear Garret
Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is
said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found
a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North

Sea

REPLY

The Canadian university in Victoria BC  got hold of those records and use
the data to develop the flotation jackets now being sold by Mustang and others

The original  UVIC  survival coat was hailed as a break through in cold
water survival.
At least something good eventually came from this horrible experiment.

Cheers

Arild

At 07:55 PM 03/03/2002 +0100, Luis Martinez wrote: >Dear Garret >Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is >said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found >a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North Sea REPLY The Canadian university in Victoria BC got hold of those records and use the data to develop the flotation jackets now being sold by Mustang and others The original UVIC survival coat was hailed as a break through in cold water survival. At least something good eventually came from this horrible experiment. Cheers Arild
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Sun, Mar 3, 2002 8:14 PM

At 12:05 PM 03/03/2002 -0800, Arild Jensen wrote:

At 07:55 PM 03/03/2002 +0100, Luis Martinez wrote:

Dear Garret
Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is
said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found
a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North

The Canadian university in Victoria BC  got hold of those records and use
the data to develop the flotation jackets now being sold by Mustang and

others

The original  UVIC  survival coat was hailed as a break through in cold
water survival.
At least something good eventually came from this horrible experiment.

Cheers

Sad also to say that a lot of the early studies on/for "Electrical shock
hazards" were done by the Germans on prisoners during the war.  During my
years in "Product Safety" I came accross some documents written detailing
this study.  (trawler connection:  see previous threid on grounding of
generators)...jd

Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "Prairie Star"
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 12:05 PM 03/03/2002 -0800, Arild Jensen wrote: >At 07:55 PM 03/03/2002 +0100, Luis Martinez wrote: >>Dear Garret >>Years ago i read a Readers Digest book about Secret Stories of WWII where is >>said that the nazis made experiments with jewish prisioners to try to found >>a way to recover their pilots falling with their planes to the cold North > >The Canadian university in Victoria BC got hold of those records and use >the data to develop the flotation jackets now being sold by Mustang and others > >The original UVIC survival coat was hailed as a break through in cold >water survival. >At least something good eventually came from this horrible experiment. > >Cheers > Sad also to say that a lot of the early studies on/for "Electrical shock hazards" were done by the Germans on prisoners during the war. During my years in "Product Safety" I came accross some documents written detailing this study. (trawler connection: see previous threid on grounding of generators)...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.