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2 questions on HP 5371A/5372A

MC
Mark C. Stephens
Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:59 PM
  1.   what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A
    
  2.   how do I turn that CRT off while making very  l o n g  GPIB measurements?
    
1. what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A 2. how do I turn that CRT off while making very l o n g GPIB measurements?
EP
Ed Palmer
Fri, Sep 6, 2013 1:29 AM

Geez, you'd think nobody had one of these things.

  1. The 5372A doesn't use anything so common as "gate time".  No, it
    uses "interval sampling" instead.  Take a look in the Operating Manual
    on page 1-23 "Time Interval Measurement with Interval Sampling Arming".
    Clear as mud, isn't it?  But that's what you want.  The maximum gate
    time is 8 seconds.  The same applies to frequency measurements.

  2. The closest thing they've got to a screensaver is the "Display
    Blank" which really isn't anything close to a screensaver. :-(  It's
    described on page 12-6.

Ed

On 9/5/2013 7:59 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:

  1.   what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A
    
  2.   how do I turn that CRT off while making very  l o n g  GPIB measurements?
    
Geez, you'd think nobody had one of these things. 1. The 5372A doesn't use anything so common as "gate time". No, it uses "interval sampling" instead. Take a look in the Operating Manual on page 1-23 "Time Interval Measurement with Interval Sampling Arming". Clear as mud, isn't it? But that's what you want. The maximum gate time is 8 seconds. The same applies to frequency measurements. 2. The closest thing they've got to a screensaver is the "Display Blank" which really isn't anything close to a screensaver. :-( It's described on page 12-6. Ed On 9/5/2013 7:59 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > 1. what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A > > 2. how do I turn that CRT off while making very l o n g GPIB measurements? >
MC
Mark C. Stephens
Fri, Sep 6, 2013 5:20 AM

Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults.
Isn't it great how they even  deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it.
Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids...

The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it..

But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements.

Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers,

--marki

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 2 questions on HP 5371A/5372A

Geez, you'd think nobody had one of these things.

  1. The 5372A doesn't use anything so common as "gate time".  No, it uses "interval sampling" instead.  Take a look in the Operating Manual on page 1-23 "Time Interval Measurement with Interval Sampling Arming".
    Clear as mud, isn't it?  But that's what you want.  The maximum gate time is 8 seconds.  The same applies to frequency measurements.

  2. The closest thing they've got to a screensaver is the "Display
    Blank" which really isn't anything close to a screensaver. :-(  It's
    described on page 12-6.

Ed

On 9/5/2013 7:59 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:

  1.   what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A
    
  2.   how do I turn that CRT off while making very  l o n g  GPIB measurements?
    

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Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults. Isn't it great how they even deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it. Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids... The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it.. But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements. Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers, --marki -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013 11:29 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 2 questions on HP 5371A/5372A Geez, you'd think nobody had one of these things. 1. The 5372A doesn't use anything so common as "gate time". No, it uses "interval sampling" instead. Take a look in the Operating Manual on page 1-23 "Time Interval Measurement with Interval Sampling Arming". Clear as mud, isn't it? But that's what you want. The maximum gate time is 8 seconds. The same applies to frequency measurements. 2. The closest thing they've got to a screensaver is the "Display Blank" which really isn't anything close to a screensaver. :-( It's described on page 12-6. Ed On 9/5/2013 7:59 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > 1. what or where is the gate time for the 5371A/5372A > > 2. how do I turn that CRT off while making very l o n g GPIB measurements? > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
MD
Magnus Danielson
Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:08 AM

On 09/06/2013 07:20 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:

Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults.
Isn't it great how they even  deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it.
Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids...

The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it..

But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements.

Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers,

The one thing you could do is to enable the fast port and hack up a
board that consumes the data and produces a long continuous stream of
data for tools like TimeLab etc.

When doing such long-time-logging, the 200 ps resolution isn't all that bad.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 09/06/2013 07:20 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults. > Isn't it great how they even deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it. > Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids... > > The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it.. > > But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements. > > Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers, The one thing you could do is to enable the fast port and hack up a board that consumes the data and produces a long continuous stream of data for tools like TimeLab etc. When doing such long-time-logging, the 200 ps resolution isn't all that bad. Cheers, Magnus
BC
Bob Camp
Fri, Sep 6, 2013 11:02 AM

Hi

The lack of long tau analysis is what keeps the 5371 and 5372 from becoming staple items with TImeNuts.

Bob

On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Magnus Danielson magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

On 09/06/2013 07:20 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:

Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults.
Isn't it great how they even  deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it.
Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids...

The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it..

But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements.

Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers,

The one thing you could do is to enable the fast port and hack up a
board that consumes the data and produces a long continuous stream of
data for tools like TimeLab etc.

When doing such long-time-logging, the 200 ps resolution isn't all that bad.

Cheers,
Magnus


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Hi The lack of long tau analysis is what keeps the 5371 and 5372 from becoming staple items with TImeNuts. Bob On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > On 09/06/2013 07:20 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: >> Ah more people should take the leap, the broke ones are cheap and are moistly easy to fix and you have the almighty HP service manuals to guide you through the toughest of faults. >> Isn't it great how they even deal with handling multiple faults in the manual, although the great techs such as you Ed, break it up into blocks without thinking about it. >> Fortunately, the parts aren't too hard to come across, although you might be stretching it to get some of those hybrids... >> >> The 5372A will never take the place of the 5370B, so I guess the poor 5372A hasn't got "time-Nut" stamped on it.. >> >> But I was playing around with mine and I have to say it's fine for quick measurements. >> >> Well, Here's to R.T.F.M. (the fine one that is ;) Cheers, > The one thing you could do is to enable the fast port and hack up a > board that consumes the data and produces a long continuous stream of > data for tools like TimeLab etc. > > When doing such long-time-logging, the 200 ps resolution isn't all that bad. > > Cheers, > Magnus > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.