Hmmm. The "Single Wire Earth Return" scheme seems like a great cause for the stray voltage that affects farmers: http://articles.ky3.com/2011-03-18/stray-voltage_29143748 ________________________________ From: Eric Garner <garnere@gmail.com> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:54:32 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party Did it sound like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

That made me laugh, as unsightly and farm seems to go well together (no matter how you keep it cleaned up)! Wonder what he would have done, if after he pulled the grounds, that he found a prized horse dead from electrocution? One thing about here in the US, well at least now, and after having the NEC, is that an installation can't get past inspection without a ground rod at the meter, and most times one at the pole too. Plus, if you have copper or steel water pipe in the house, it's connected to gorund, and any natural gas system piping is connected to a ground rod at its meter, or it should be. One would think that the earths resistance, especially in a dry climate, would be too high to work correctly, at all, without having a neutral and ground running with the hot. I would think you would get a lot of brown-outs over this? I learn something new every day. Best, Will *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/27/2011 at 12:02 PM Lee Mushel wrote: >Well, I guess my response to your invitation to comment won't be any worse >than "pip" time. I live in a rural area where this so-called "stray >voltage" was a problem for years. I guess no "real electrician" ever said >anything because everyone was certain that a solution to such an obvious >problem would be known to everyone "tomorrow." But it never happened! >And this so-called "mystery" went on for years! And one day I got a phone >call from my neighbor, "horse Bob" saying that his horses couldn't drink >from the water tank. He was certain that they were receiving a "shock" as >soon as their noses touched the water. > >I went down to his "paddock" and installed enough grounds to overcome the >general lack of such on his property and then went home. The horses were >drinking normally. A couple of hours later he called and said "the problem >is back." A puzzled me went for another visit and discovered that he had >removed all of my grounding provisions. When I asked him why he had done >that I was informed that "those wires and rods are unsightly." > >Lee K9WRU >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert LaJeunesse" <rlajeunesse@sbcglobal.net> >To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" ><time-nuts@febo.com> >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:23 AM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party > > >> Hmmm. The "Single Wire Earth Return" scheme seems like a great cause for >> the >> stray voltage that affects farmers: >> >> http://articles.ky3.com/2011-03-18/stray-voltage_29143748 >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Eric Garner <garnere@gmail.com> >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> <time-nuts@febo.com> >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:54:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party >> >> Did it sound like this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5851 (20110206) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com

Well, I guess my response to your invitation to comment won't be any worse than "pip" time. I live in a rural area where this so-called "stray voltage" was a problem for years. I guess no "real electrician" ever said anything because everyone was certain that a solution to such an obvious problem would be known to everyone "tomorrow." But it never happened! And this so-called "mystery" went on for years! And one day I got a phone call from my neighbor, "horse Bob" saying that his horses couldn't drink from the water tank. He was certain that they were receiving a "shock" as soon as their noses touched the water. I went down to his "paddock" and installed enough grounds to overcome the general lack of such on his property and then went home. The horses were drinking normally. A couple of hours later he called and said "the problem is back." A puzzled me went for another visit and discovered that he had removed all of my grounding provisions. When I asked him why he had done that I was informed that "those wires and rods are unsightly." Lee K9WRU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert LaJeunesse" <rlajeunesse@sbcglobal.net> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party > Hmmm. The "Single Wire Earth Return" scheme seems like a great cause for > the > stray voltage that affects farmers: > > http://articles.ky3.com/2011-03-18/stray-voltage_29143748 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eric Garner <garnere@gmail.com> > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:54:32 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party > > Did it sound like this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >