Re: T&T: Lehman Starting problem
Do not let the starter button switch off the hook. Had one die on me not so
long ago. I had even taken the starter out to the local alternator shop to
have it and the solenoid checked before we finally figured out the problem.
Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL
Thanks for the tip - however, I have an upper and lower station and neither
one will crank the engine - I am pretty sure the issue is with the neutral
safety switch - so, if anyone has any familiarity with Lehman starter
circuit wiring and/or New Age PRM neutral safety switches, I would
appreciate them passing that along.
Thanks
Greg Steckel
M/V Different Drummer
President 35 Sundeck
Frog Mortar Creek, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Gano [mailto:richgano@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:23 AM
To: dd0267@gregsteckel.com
Cc: Trawlers-and-Trawlering
Subject: RE: Lehman Starting problem
Do not let the starter button switch off the hook. Had one die on me not so
long ago. I had even taken the starter out to the local alternator shop to
have it and the solenoid checked before we finally figured out the problem.
Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL
If it is set up like a car, you should be able to bypass the switch. I know how to do it on a car, but I have no idea how to do it on a boat. I would start looking for any wiring from the transmission. I can't see there being one at the helm stations as that would require one at each. I think it would be much simpler and cheaper to just install one at the transmission.
Hope that helps.
Rob Z
Thanks for the tip - however, I have an upper and lower station
and neither
one will crank the engine - I am pretty sure the issue is with
the neutral
safety switch - so, if anyone has any familiarity with Lehman starter
circuit wiring and/or New Age PRM neutral safety switches, I would
appreciate them passing that along.
Have you tried wiggling both to make sure they're centered in neutral? I've
seen mismatches where they both looked and felt like they were in neutral,
but in fact one was disabling the starter circuit. Sometimes you have to
adjust one or the other to make sure they match.
Keith
"It don't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of
sheep." - Will Rogers
----- Original Message -----
From: dd0267@gregsteckel.com
Thanks for the tip - however, I have an upper and lower station and
neither
one will crank the engine - I am pretty sure the issue is with the neutral
safety switch - so, if anyone has any familiarity with Lehman starter
circuit wiring and/or New Age PRM neutral safety switches, I would
appreciate them passing that along.
Actually, you may be on to something there - although I tried to start the
boat from both stations, I think I only adjusted the transmission lever on
the bottom station when hitting the start button. I believe when this
happened the first time a couple of years ago, I had to adjust levers at
both stations to fire up; that time was the port engine as well.
Greg Steckel
M/V Different Drummer
President 35 Sundeck
Frog Mortar Creek, MD
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:38 AM
To: 'Trawlers-and-Trawlering'
Subject: Re: T&T: Lehman Starting problem
Have you tried wiggling both to make sure they're centered in neutral? I've
seen mismatches where they both looked and felt like they were in neutral,
but in fact one was disabling the starter circuit. Sometimes you have to
adjust one or the other to make sure they match.
In my opinion...if you are going to keep such interlocks in
place...especially with two of them on the circuit...it would pay to put
an indicator led or light in between the start current and the interlocks
in such a way that when you press the button it lights up if the interlock
is what is cutting you out (wired across the interlock switch(es)).
Especially in a boat with its more complicated systems...interlocks
without a trouble indicator are patently unsafe. It should tell you on
your panels why it won't start.
CUAgain,
Daniel Meyer
http://lifeisaroad.com/boat.html
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:18:28 -0500, dd0267@gregsteckel.com wrote:
Actually, you may be on to something there - although I tried to start
the
boat from both stations, I think I only adjusted the transmission lever
on
the bottom station when hitting the start button. I believe when this
happened the first time a couple of years ago, I had to adjust levers at
both stations to fire up; that time was the port engine as well.
Greg Steckel
M/V Different Drummer
President 35 Sundeck
Frog Mortar Creek, MD
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On a previous boat with Volvo stern drives, there were neutral
interlock switches in the shift levers at both helms, but the upper
helm switch only affected starting at the upper helm, and the lower
helm switch only affected starting at the lower helm - I found this
when one switch at the upper helm broke - could only start that engine
from the lower helm.
Since the engine won't start from either helm, I'd look for something
common to both. I'd probably start at the engine, and apply 12V
directly to the starter solenoid - if the engine cranks, then the
solenoid and starter are OK, so you can work back towards the helms.
There is an indication in my Lehman manual that there is an auxiliary
solenoid somewhere on or near the engine - the start button operates this
solenoid, which in turn controls the "real" starter solenoid. (my old
4 cylinder Lehman doesn't have this...) In any case, you will have to
start tracing the wiring, and I think it is most logical to start at
the starter.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007, 9:18:28 AM, dd0267 wrote:
dgc> Actually, you may be on to something there - although I tried to start the
dgc> boat from both stations, I think I only adjusted the transmission lever on
dgc> the bottom station when hitting the start button. I believe when this
dgc> happened the first time a couple of years ago, I had to adjust levers at
dgc> both stations to fire up; that time was the port engine as well.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
Thanks for the info - my Lehman manual has this additional solenoid as well
- they call it the solenoid relay and it looks like it is mounted above the
starter on the engine.
Greg Steckel
M/V Different Drummer
President 35 Sundeck
Frog Mortar Creek, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bennett [mailto:peterbb4@interchange.ubc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:04 PM
To: dd0267@gregsteckel.com; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Lehman Starting problem
On a previous boat with Volvo stern drives, there were neutral interlock
switches in the shift levers at both helms, but the upper helm switch only
affected starting at the upper helm, and the lower helm switch only affected
starting at the lower helm - I found this when one switch at the upper helm
broke - could only start that engine from the lower helm.
Since the engine won't start from either helm, I'd look for something common
to both. I'd probably start at the engine, and apply 12V directly to the
starter solenoid - if the engine cranks, then the solenoid and starter are
OK, so you can work back towards the helms.
There is an indication in my Lehman manual that there is an auxiliary
solenoid somewhere on or near the engine - the start button operates this
solenoid, which in turn controls the "real" starter solenoid. (my old
4 cylinder Lehman doesn't have this...) In any case, you will have to start
tracing the wiring, and I think it is most logical to start at the starter.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007, 9:18:28 AM, dd0267 wrote:
dgc> Actually, you may be on to something there - although I tried to
dgc> start the boat from both stations, I think I only adjusted the
dgc> transmission lever on the bottom station when hitting the start
dgc> button. I believe when this happened the first time a couple of
dgc> years ago, I had to adjust levers at both stations to fire up; that
time was the port engine as well.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca