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Top 10 Trawlers of All Time

G
gxk@interlog.com
Tue, Dec 29, 1998 2:24 PM

All hands--

Since the List seems to be back at full throttle after the holidays, let me
pose a question:

What are the top 10 trawlers of all time?

That is, name the boats designed for voyaging, cruising and living aboard
that, in your opinion, are truly outstanding, significant, appealing,
influential, innovative and desirable. Identify specific models rather than
simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats.

Let's see:

Robert Beebe's Passagemaker
Krogen 42 Pilothouse
Nordhavn 46
Mainship 34 . . . but which Grand Banks?

Can you name 10 boats?

Quite frankly, I don't know of an any more knowledgeable group of trawler
crawlers anywhere, so why should not TWList subscribers become the arbiters
of what's what in the trawler world?

Let's hear your candidates for the best trawler yachts of all time!

Please post your submissions to mailto:trawler-world-list@samurai.com and
us the words "Top 10 Trawlers" as your subject line.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Listmeister of Trawler World Online at http://www.trawlerworld.com
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All hands-- Since the List seems to be back at full throttle after the holidays, let me pose a question: What are the top 10 trawlers of all time? That is, name the boats designed for voyaging, cruising and living aboard that, in your opinion, are truly outstanding, significant, appealing, influential, innovative and desirable. Identify specific models rather than simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats. Let's see: Robert Beebe's Passagemaker Krogen 42 Pilothouse Nordhavn 46 Mainship 34 . . . but which Grand Banks? Can you name 10 boats? Quite frankly, I don't know of an any more knowledgeable group of trawler crawlers anywhere, so why should not TWList subscribers become the arbiters of what's what in the trawler world? Let's hear your candidates for the best trawler yachts of all time! Please post your submissions to <mailto:trawler-world-list@samurai.com> and us the words "Top 10 Trawlers" as your subject line. --Georgs Georgs Kolesnikovs Listmeister of Trawler World Online at <http://www.trawlerworld.com> To post a message to the list, address it to <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> List archives are at <http://www.samurai.com/lists/>
R
rebeccad@usit.net
Tue, Dec 29, 1998 3:49 PM

I'd like to request that, for the benefit of us that aren't familiar with the
various designs, that responders tell WHY a nominee should be considered.

Thank you,

Rebecca

Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote:

Identify specific models rather than
simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats.

Let's hear your candidates for the best trawler yachts of all time!

I'd like to request that, for the benefit of us that aren't familiar with the various designs, that responders tell WHY a nominee should be considered. Thank you, Rebecca Georgs Kolesnikovs wrote: > Identify specific models rather than > simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats. > > Let's hear your candidates for the best trawler yachts of all time! >
P
pgslo@juno.com
Tue, Dec 29, 1998 6:10 PM

On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:24:24 -0500 Georgs Kolesnikovs gxk@interlog.com
writes:

What are the top 10 trawlers of all time?

I would like to nominate two semi-displacement trawlers:

Alaskan 48 - the original boats were wood with a pilot house, portuguese
bridge, and "europa" or "sedan" style saloon.  This boat was the fore
runner of the pilot house design that is popular today.  She was a trend
setter in the early days.  Even after almost 30 years, this design
precedent can be seen in many of the boats that are on the market today -
Flemming 55, Krogen 58, Nordhavn 50, 57, Ocean Alexander 50 Mk 1, DeFever
49, and many others.  This model will continue to influence trawler
design way into the 21st C.

Hatteras 48 LRC - A top of the line (expensive), well built, out of the
box capable of extended offshore cruising at "trawler" speeds.  An
adaptation of the Alaskan design theme.  A whole bunch of this model was
sold and after 20 years, they still command their original cost or more
on the used market today.  Now that is staying power.  This boat  made
the concept of "trawlering" popular and acceptable with the monied,
landed gentry.

Limiting the choice to the top 10 is going to be tough.  The trawler
concept is still in it's infancy and growing.  Most of the designs up to
this point have been evolutionary - sort of a continuum, one design
evolving from another.  It is probably too early to accurately predict
which boats are going to be truly influential.  The only sure bet is
Passagemaker.

tempus fugit
Patrick

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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:24:24 -0500 Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@interlog.com> writes: >What are the top 10 trawlers of all time? > I would like to nominate two semi-displacement trawlers: Alaskan 48 - the original boats were wood with a pilot house, portuguese bridge, and "europa" or "sedan" style saloon. This boat was the fore runner of the pilot house design that is popular today. She was a trend setter in the early days. Even after almost 30 years, this design precedent can be seen in many of the boats that are on the market today - Flemming 55, Krogen 58, Nordhavn 50, 57, Ocean Alexander 50 Mk 1, DeFever 49, and many others. This model will continue to influence trawler design way into the 21st C. Hatteras 48 LRC - A top of the line (expensive), well built, out of the box capable of extended offshore cruising at "trawler" speeds. An adaptation of the Alaskan design theme. A whole bunch of this model was sold and after 20 years, they still command their original cost or more on the used market today. Now that is staying power. This boat made the concept of "trawlering" popular and acceptable with the monied, landed gentry. Limiting the choice to the top 10 is going to be tough. The trawler concept is still in it's infancy and growing. Most of the designs up to this point have been evolutionary - sort of a continuum, one design evolving from another. It is probably too early to accurately predict which boats are going to be truly influential. The only sure bet is Passagemaker. tempus fugit Patrick tempus fugit Patrick ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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nunas@pacific.net.sg
Tue, Dec 29, 1998 10:20 PM

Hi,

Interesting way to do this Georgs, no ground rules, no standards, just
opinion.  I'm not sure that this is worth the effort, but here goes.  I've
added "why" as it seems to me we need more than just opinion.

We'd add:

Both of the Willard trawlers.  They have efficient and sturdy hulls and
truly could go anywhere in relative safety.  They are economical to run and
the acquisition price is (was?) not prohibitive.  Not great liveaboard
boats, especially the 30, but adequate for a couple.  While we like
pilothouses, the conventional version is probably a better boat in terms of
use of space.

We also suggest the Krogen 48 series (Whaleback, North Sea and
Conventional).  They have excellent sea keeping qualities together with very
nice liveaboard space, especially the Whaleback.  In our search for an
ocean-going liveaboard boat, the Whaleback was second on our short list (the
KK42 was the first) and it has stayed there, while many other designs have
come and gone for various reasons.  The Krogens have reasonably good fit and
finish, excellent if you consider the price (well, maybe this is no longer
true with the price hikes over the past few years).

How about the Krogen Manatee?  While it is no ocean crosser, it is a good
liveaboard for a couple and is seaworthy enough for coastal cruising.  Both
the acquisition and the maintenance prices are very reasonable, and they
just sip fuel. It would not be on my personal short list and has never been,
but if cost were a factor, this would certainly move it up the list.

You'd have to add the Defever pilothouse design, best exemplified by the 48
"woody" or the DeFever 49, in its many versions, sizes and copies (e.g.,
Alaskan, Fleming).  You could probably list ten of these alone.  The
Portuguese bridge and the stout hull make it a good sea boat and the engine
room is nearly stand-up (well, if your are real short it is stand-up).

Maurice & Louise-Ann
Boatless in Singapore

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs
Kolesnikovs
Sent: 29-Dec-98 10:24 PM
To: Trawler World List
Subject: Top 10 Trawlers of All Time

<snip>

What are the top 10 trawlers of all time?

That is, name the boats designed for voyaging, cruising and living aboard
that, in your opinion, are truly outstanding, significant, appealing,
influential, innovative and desirable. Identify specific models rather than
simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats.

<snip>
Hi, Interesting way to do this Georgs, no ground rules, no standards, just opinion. I'm not sure that this is worth the effort, but here goes. I've added "why" as it seems to me we need more than just opinion. We'd add: Both of the Willard trawlers. They have efficient and sturdy hulls and truly could go anywhere in relative safety. They are economical to run and the acquisition price is (was?) not prohibitive. Not great liveaboard boats, especially the 30, but adequate for a couple. While we like pilothouses, the conventional version is probably a better boat in terms of use of space. We also suggest the Krogen 48 series (Whaleback, North Sea and Conventional). They have excellent sea keeping qualities together with very nice liveaboard space, especially the Whaleback. In our search for an ocean-going liveaboard boat, the Whaleback was second on our short list (the KK42 was the first) and it has stayed there, while many other designs have come and gone for various reasons. The Krogens have reasonably good fit and finish, excellent if you consider the price (well, maybe this is no longer true with the price hikes over the past few years). How about the Krogen Manatee? While it is no ocean crosser, it is a good liveaboard for a couple and is seaworthy enough for coastal cruising. Both the acquisition and the maintenance prices are very reasonable, and they just sip fuel. It would not be on my personal short list and has never been, but if cost were a factor, this would certainly move it up the list. You'd have to add the Defever pilothouse design, best exemplified by the 48 "woody" or the DeFever 49, in its many versions, sizes and copies (e.g., Alaskan, Fleming). You could probably list ten of these alone. The Portuguese bridge and the stout hull make it a good sea boat and the engine room is nearly stand-up (well, if your are real short it is stand-up). Maurice & Louise-Ann Boatless in Singapore -----Original Message----- From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com] On Behalf Of Georgs Kolesnikovs Sent: 29-Dec-98 10:24 PM To: Trawler World List Subject: Top 10 Trawlers of All Time <snip> What are the top 10 trawlers of all time? That is, name the boats designed for voyaging, cruising and living aboard that, in your opinion, are truly outstanding, significant, appealing, influential, innovative and desirable. Identify specific models rather than simply makes. Include one-offs as well as production boats. <snip>