TWL: cetol
After reading about the ups and downs of cetol,another question just
came up.Can you color or tint cetol and no its not a joke.My Island
Trader has the cockpit seats in gray natural teak while the trim is in
cetol.I`m bringing her back to the great lakes where its very hard to
keep teak clean and gray without doing the salt bucket washdown.It might
be something to think about if there was a way to change the color of
the seats but leave the trim in regular cetol.Whats the word on that
idea?Help always appreciated. Steve
Mostly at the advice of people on this list, this fall I sanded my boat
transome to bare wood and applied Cetol. The plain kind, not the glossy.
We are going cruising, not to a yacht show. Anyways, I put on 5 coats.
After this much, the plain Cetol gives the wood an orange tint. However,
it looks great, wears well, and everyone on our dock gave plenty of
compliments.
Invest in the best brush you can afford. Nothing makes the job harder -
after days of sanding - than having brush hairs constantly falling out.
-JimB
Jim Baumgart
<")))>><
(760)749-4257 San Diego
baumgart@starrstuff.com writes:
Anyways, I put on 5 coats.
After this much, the plain Cetol gives the wood an orange tint.
However,
it looks great, wears well, and everyone on our dock gave plenty of
compliments.
Next time try Armada. It is practically the same stuff but has less
tint to it. BTW the label says three coats, which I find sufficient.
But then I live in Canada where the sun is less severe than down
south (so they tell me).
Invest in the best brush you can afford. Nothing makes the job
harder -
after days of sanding - than having brush hairs constantly falling
out.
I use these inexpensive sponge brushes. No hair to fall out and they
are so cheap that you just throw them away after use - except thrifty
me: For just overnight storage, I wrap the sponge brush in aluminium
foil and put it in the freezer. Next day they're just like
yesterday....
Ciao - George of Scaramouche in Lake Ontario
I have found that more than 2 coats of the satin Cetol leave an orange or
chocolate tint. This can also happen if you use it over varnish. If you
use 2 coats of the satin and as many of the gloss as you like, the
results look somewhat close to varnish-at least close enough for me.
I have called the makers of Cetol (Sikkens) and they recommend against
applying Cetol gloss over anything except the satin. They do not
recommend applying it on bare wood.
Tom Mahowald
1977 CHB 34
Redondo Beach, CA
At 09:11 AM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote:
Mostly at the advice of people on this list, this fall I sanded my boat
transome to bare wood and applied Cetol. The plain kind, not the glossy.
We are going cruising, not to a yacht show. Anyways, I put on 5 coats.
After this much, the plain Cetol gives the wood an orange tint. However,
it looks great, wears well, and everyone on our dock gave plenty of
compliments.
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The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid for.
AL
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Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
I'm sure I've said it before on this list, but all the exterior teak
trim on my trawler was varnished when I bought it - cap rails, hand
rails, wondow trim, etc. (Decks are natural - gray.)
Over the past year I have stripped the vanished teak down to bare wood,
sanded it smooth, and applied three coats of satin cetol. There are only
two windows left whose trim has not been refinished. I cannot tell any
difference in color or finish between that with cetol and that with the
varnish! It looks EXACTLY like the teak I WANT and paid for!
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid for.
--
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
Bob McLeran said in Re: TWL: cetol at Feb/14/2000 12:07:25.
I'm sure I've said it before on this list, but all the exterior teak
trim on my trawler was varnished when I bought it - cap rails, hand
rails, wondow trim, etc. (Decks are natural - gray.)
Over the past year I have stripped the vanished teak down to bare wood,
sanded it smooth, and applied three coats of satin cetol. There are only
two windows left whose trim has not been refinished. I cannot tell any
difference in color or finish between that with cetol and that with the
varnish! It looks EXACTLY like the teak I WANT and paid for!
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid for.
I'd tend to agree with Bob on this, I've seen, some fine looking teak on
very well maintained boats, that were done with Cetol. I'm wondering if
this "off" color tint some seem to perceive with Cetol could be the result
of just a glossier and better protected teak?
The question is, beyond the apparent tendancy of Armada, to not be
perceived as having as much an "off color tint" as Cetol, are there any
other good reasons to prefer one to the other? Durability? Ease of use?
Etc?
--
Jh
Nimble Nomad
SF Bay & Delta
I wish I had known about Armada before I started with Cetol just so I
could have made a comparison. People on the list seem to think Armada
looks more "natural."
I have seen a trawler with teak decks "painted" with something which I
know wasn't Cetol, and they looked terrible. In fact, the owner had
stripped and sanded from varnish to bare wood on all his trim, teak deck
chairs, etc, and then refinished the natural teak decks with what ever
this stuff was. He liked it, but I felt it looked like brownish porch
paint! I hope that wasn't Armada.
Has anyone seen Armada and Cetol side by side? If so, how does the
finish compare in terms of texture and coloration?
Jh wrote:
I'd tend to agree with Bob on this, I've seen, some fine looking teak on
very well maintained boats, that were done with Cetol. I'm wondering if
this "off" color tint some seem to perceive with Cetol could be the result
of just a glossier and better protected teak?
The question is, beyond the apparent tendancy of Armada, to not be
perceived as having as much an "off color tint" as Cetol, are there any
other good reasons to prefer one to the other? Durability? Ease of use?
--
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
I have used both products over the past several years. In fact used Sikkens
several years prior to them introducing their Cetol Marine Finish. After
trying the marine finish, and was not happy with that I went back to their
commercial brand. Someone suggested Armada and after giving this a try found
this to be very satisfactory for my use.
Easy to apply and a minimum effort to keep it looking good.
Do not have any stock or interest in either product other than getting good
results.
Harold Meekins
OSPREY
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of Bob McLeran
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:28 PM
Cc: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Subject: Re: TWL: cetol
I wish I had known about Armada before I started with Cetol just so I
could have made a comparison. People on the list seem to think Armada
looks more "natural."
I have seen a trawler with teak decks "painted" with something which I
know wasn't Cetol, and they looked terrible. In fact, the owner had
stripped and sanded from varnish to bare wood on all his trim, teak deck
chairs, etc, and then refinished the natural teak decks with what ever
this stuff was. He liked it, but I felt it looked like brownish porch
paint! I hope that wasn't Armada.
Has anyone seen Armada and Cetol side by side? If so, how does the
finish compare in terms of texture and coloration?
Jh wrote:
I'd tend to agree with Bob on this, I've seen, some fine looking teak on
very well maintained boats, that were done with Cetol. I'm wondering if
this "off" color tint some seem to perceive with Cetol could be the result
of just a glossier and better protected teak?
The question is, beyond the apparent tendancy of Armada, to not be
perceived as having as much an "off color tint" as Cetol, are there any
other good reasons to prefer one to the other? Durability? Ease of use?
--
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
I have used AwlGrip AwlBrite . It requires about 6 coats, but it dries very
fast between coats. It lasts about 3 seasons, depending if it is out of the
sun.
On another note, the new BoatUS catalong has our Cycleflush toilet odor
eliminator listed on page 485. It made a big mistake and listed it at
$89.99. The price is supposed to be $129.95. If interested order before
they change prices.
rmcleran@ix.netcom.com writes:
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid
for.
I too love discussing religion - perhaps we should re-name this
thread and take it to a faith oriented list? :-)
When things get slow I manage to stir the pot. Seems like its about to boil
over. I am already planning my next attack.
AL
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At 02:53 PM 2/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
rmcleran@ix.netcom.com writes:
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid
for.
I too love discussing religion - perhaps we should re-name this
thread and take it to a faith oriented list? :-)
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
Well I just have to put my two pennies worth in the fray! All of these
products seem to be attempting to mirror the result with a good varnish
finish--for the most part with "maybe ok" to "awful/dismal" results. IMHO if
we want a good shippy result, nothing beats good old varnish.Sure it
requires refreshing but for myself, it is all part of the fun of boating.
BTW, my Alaskan came to us with cetol on all the brightwork including the
decks. The color is clearly orange & the decks are extremely slippery. Plan
to switch to varnish for rails ets & let the decks go gray.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob & Debbie Huddleston huddlestonB_D@email.msn.com
To: rmcleran@ix.netcom.com; trawler-world-list@samurai.com; George Geist
scaramouche@tvo.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Re(2): TWL: cetol
AMEN!
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: George Geist scaramouche@tvo.org
To: rmcleran@ix.netcom.com; trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: Re(2): TWL: cetol
rmcleran@ix.netcom.com writes:
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid
for.
I too love discussing religion - perhaps we should re-name this
thread and take it to a faith oriented list? :-)
Listees-
Here is my 2 cents on the Cetol vs Armada question. I too was interested
in the potential differences between the products. I redid my bow rails,
taking them all the way down to the bare wood, 2 coats of thinned Cetol and
then 3 coats of gloss. They look great and have held up very well in the
South Carolina sun. I redid the bow bench in the same fashion and then
used the Armada. It has not held up as well and the color is darker than I
would like. I will be using Cetol as I refinish the remaining teak.
John Tegtmeyer
M/V DAYSTAR
KK42
At 01:27 PM 2/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
I wish I had known about Armada before I started with Cetol just so I
could have made a comparison. People on the list seem to think Armada
looks more "natural."
I have seen a trawler with teak decks "painted" with something which I
know wasn't Cetol, and they looked terrible. In fact, the owner had
stripped and sanded from varnish to bare wood on all his trim, teak deck
chairs, etc, and then refinished the natural teak decks with what ever
this stuff was. He liked it, but I felt it looked like brownish porch
paint! I hope that wasn't Armada.
Has anyone seen Armada and Cetol side by side? If so, how does the
finish compare in terms of texture and coloration?
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
Cc: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: TWL: cetol
I wish I had known about Armada before I started with Cetol just so I
could have made a comparison. People on the list seem to think Armada
looks more "natural."
I have seen a trawler with teak decks "painted" with something which I
know wasn't Cetol, and they looked terrible. In fact, the owner had
I THINK what you were looking at is Semco. Some people love it.
AMEN!
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: George Geist scaramouche@tvo.org
To: rmcleran@ix.netcom.com; trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: Re(2): TWL: cetol
rmcleran@ix.netcom.com writes:
Perhaps it depends on the quality of the teak or the refinishing
process!
Al Pilvinis wrote:
The problem is Jim the teak no longer looks like the teak you paid
for.
I too love discussing religion - perhaps we should re-name this
thread and take it to a faith oriented list? :-)
Gayle,
It is clear that you do not live in the sunny south!! :<)
If you tried the varnish trick here in SW Florida, It would be like painting
the Golden Gate bridge. Start at the bow and when you get to the stern you
will have to carry your varnish can to the bow and start over.. In South
Florida summer, varnish lasts about 3 months.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( CT-35, 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
Well I just have to put my two pennies worth in the fray! All of these
products seem to be attempting to mirror the result with a good varnish
finish--for the most part with "maybe ok" to "awful/dismal" results. IMHO
if
we want a good shippy result, nothing beats good old varnish.Sure it
requires refreshing but for myself, it is all part of the fun of boating.
skippergr@worldnet.att.net writes:
All of these
products seem to be attempting to mirror the result with a good
varnish
finish--for the most part with "maybe ok" to "awful/dismal" results.
IMHO if
we want a good shippy result, nothing beats good old varnish.Sure it
requires refreshing but for myself, it is all part of the fun of
boating.
BTW, my Alaskan came to us with cetol on all the brightwork
including the
decks. The color is clearly orange & the decks are extremely
slippery.
This will definitely be my last entry on the Cetol/Armada versus
varnish debate:
Armada/Cetol does not NOT want to mirror a varnish finish. If you
want a varnish finish - use varnish!
Cetol/Armada matte, if applied as intended, leaves an oiled look with
a somewhat rough grip to the wood, letting the wood breathe but at
the same time protecting it by keeping water out. All of that with a
minimum of maintenance. It's almost a religion: either you are a
varnish person or you are a Cetol person. I, as stated before belong
to the latter group, I use Armada on my grab-rails and am glad I do.
It looks good in my opinion and the opinion of many visitors. It
gives me a good secure grip when, in wet weather, I have to work my
way forward to do whatever you do on the foredeck in wet weather.
Please note: I only use Cetol/Armada matte (the original formula) and
never more than three coats.
Cetol gloss should never have been invented. Sikkens did themselves a
big disfavour by marketing the gloss version because people think
they can make Cetol look like varnish - but it ain't varnish!!!
Repeat sermon from the beginning: If you want a varnish finish - use
varnish!
Scaramouche who worked with wood since he was in his teens....
Hi Everyone...
And to put my 2 cents worth in....
PassageMaker had enough brightwork for 3 boats!! I covered it all with
varnish. However -- comma -- I cut my varnish (Clipper) with Penetrol -
60-40. It made the varnish flow more easily, it also made the finished
product not so brittle so if it accidentally got dinged, it didn't fracture,
thus no problems with moisture getting underneath through the fissures. You
can't, however, just patch it like you can with Cetol. You have to
revarnish the complete section of rail or the patch will be obvious (at
least up close).
Preparation: Use 100 percent Penetrol on a foam brush and apply a light
coat directly to the existing finish. No sanding, just make sure the
surface is clean. After about 15 minutes (when the surface is tacky), apply
the 60-40 mixture (with a foam brush). The only caveat is make sure you
have enough "daylight" so the surface isn't still wet if there is a chance
of condensation overnight. If the surface isn't reasonably dry, the finish
will become cloudy. However.... you do not need to remove it, just be sure
it's dry & do it again on a warm(er) day and the finish will be BRISTOL.
Obviously, you cannot use this technique if the existing finish is already
shot to hell and flaking off. In that case, "wood" the brightwork and start
over. If you have a good finish, the secret is to NOT let it start looking
like some finishes we've all seen in various marinas.
I put varnish/Penetrol on in the spring (2 coats) and in the fall (1 coat).
The spring application was generally done over a period of about 4-5 days (I
said, we had enough brightwork for three boats! -- and the fall application
took 2 days).
Anyone who saw PassageMaker can attest that the brightwork was BRISTOL. We
frequently would have folks row their dinghies across an anchorage just to
admiringly circle the boat several times and then ask us what kind of boat
(1979 C&L PH trawler - 47 feet), and what we used on the brightwork. The
boat was NOT under cover & sat out in the PacNW 365 days per year.
Nonetheless, she was gorgeous & we received comments all the time --
irrespective of the season.
I agree with many folks on TWList that if you don't apply the Cetol
correctly, it is orange and it looks like Cetol, not varnish.
Anyway.... that's my 2 cents worth.
You ask, "Are you sorry you sold her?" You bet'cha! At least half of us
are! Guess which half. :>(
later.... j
Jerry & Pam Munson
Currently Boatless
Anacortes, WA 98221-3158
Morely,
On the other hand, we who live in San Francisco have an endless fascination
with seeing the bridge constantly painted. However, I have not decided about
my boat. We did have our foredeck teak handrails replaced in the last
century (1999) with S.S. Who knows what is next.
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Morley and Tricia MTTortuga@iline.com
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re(2): TWL: cetol
Gayle,
It is clear that you do not live in the sunny south!! :<)
If you tried the varnish trick here in SW Florida, It would be like
painting
the Golden Gate bridge. Start at the bow and when you get to the stern you
will have to carry your varnish can to the bow and start over.. In South
Florida summer, varnish lasts about 3 months.