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Magnus Danielson

Wed, Nov 13, 2024 8:56 PM

Fellow time-nuts,

I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this
project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with
Dana Goward.

https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/

Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read
more there.

Cheers,
Magnus

Fellow time-nuts, I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with Dana Goward. https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/ Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read more there. Cheers, Magnus

PK

Poul-Henning Kamp

Mon, Nov 18, 2024 9:41 AM

Magnus Danielson via time-nuts writes:

I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this
project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with
Dana Goward.

https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/

Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read
more there.

Somebody should persuade Lin-Manuel Miranda to write a "We dont talk about Loran" song :-)

(ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Don%27t_Talk_About_Bruno)

--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

-------- Magnus Danielson via time-nuts writes: > I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this > project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with > Dana Goward. > > https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/ > > Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read > more there. Somebody should persuade Lin-Manuel Miranda to write a "We dont talk about Loran" song :-) (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Don%27t_Talk_About_Bruno) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

MD

Magnus Danielson

Mon, Nov 18, 2024 8:00 PM

Hi Poul-Henning,

On 2024-11-18 10:41, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

Magnus Danielson via time-nuts writes:

I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this
project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with
Dana Goward.

https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/

Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read
more there.

Somebody should persuade Lin-Manuel Miranda to write a "We dont talk about Loran" song :-)

(ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Don%27t_Talk_About_Bruno)

Well, these days you use AI tools to do that.

Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about
it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a
cup of tea.

Cheers,
Magnus

Hi Poul-Henning, On 2024-11-18 10:41, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > Magnus Danielson via time-nuts writes: > >> I find myself getting involved in things, working with many, on this >> project. Here's a good reading start up thanks to good cooperation with >> Dana Goward. >> >> https://www.gpsworld.com/europe-moving-toward-a-timing-backbone-and-looking-for-input/ >> >> Notice the link to the EC-JRC and DG DEFIS material, follow and read >> more there. > Somebody should persuade Lin-Manuel Miranda to write a "We dont talk about Loran" song :-) > > (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Don%27t_Talk_About_Bruno) > Well, these days you use AI tools to do that. Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a cup of tea. Cheers, Magnus

PK

Poul-Henning Kamp

Tue, Nov 19, 2024 1:59 PM

Magnus Danielson writes:

Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about
it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a
cup of tea.

Not talking about Loran got serious back when the first draft European
Radio Navigation Plan concluded that spending less than 10% of the
money on Loran-C would provide 40% of the possible benefits.

That was not the answer EC needed to justify pouring tons of tax-payer
money into Galileo.

A significant part of the 40% were that Loran-C works almost
everywhere, including remote islands, sea-marks - places the White
rabit will never reach.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Magnus Danielson writes: > Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about > it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a > cup of tea. Not talking about Loran got serious back when the first draft European Radio Navigation Plan concluded that spending less than 10% of the money on Loran-C would provide 40% of the possible benefits. That was not the answer EC needed to justify pouring tons of tax-payer money into Galileo. A significant part of the 40% were that Loran-C works almost everywhere, including remote islands, sea-marks - places the White rabit will never reach. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

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W3AB

Wed, Nov 20, 2024 12:10 AM

As y'all know, GPS jamming is easy. We need to have an alternative.

⁣___
Sent from my two-way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/George

On Nov 19, 2024, 15:52, at 15:52, Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Magnus Danielson writes:

Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about

it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a

cup of tea.

Not talking about Loran got serious back when the first draft European
Radio Navigation Plan concluded that spending less than 10% of the
money on Loran-C would provide 40% of the possible benefits.

That was not the answer EC needed to justify pouring tons of tax-payer
money into Galileo.

A significant part of the 40% were that Loran-C works almost
everywhere, including remote islands, sea-marks - places the White
rabit will never reach.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by
incompetence.

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As y'all know, GPS jamming is easy. We need to have an alternative. ⁣___ Sent from my two-way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/George On Nov 19, 2024, 15:52, at 15:52, Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >Magnus Danielson writes: > >> Loran is falling more and more behind in focus. By not speaking about > >> it, it becomes less of an alternative. The white rabbit ate it with a > >> cup of tea. > >Not talking about Loran got serious back when the first draft European >Radio Navigation Plan concluded that spending less than 10% of the >money on Loran-C would provide 40% of the possible benefits. > >That was not the answer EC needed to justify pouring tons of tax-payer >money into Galileo. > >A significant part of the 40% were that Loran-C works almost >everywhere, including remote islands, sea-marks - places the White >rabit will never reach. > >-- >Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by >incompetence. >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com

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