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Re: [PUP] Top five passagemakers

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Dave Cooper
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 6:33 PM

<[scott]  It's a twin, you don't use the rudder in close quarters>

How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream?

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

<[scott] It's a twin, you don't use the rudder in close quarters> How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream? Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58
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Scott Bulger
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 6:53 PM

Dave asked:

How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream?

If I told you, I'd have to shoot you  :^)

Just like back and fill if you asymmetrically apply thrust there is a moment
of pulling or pushing the stern in one direction or another.  The trick is
to learn your boat and how to make use of it's unique handling traits to
make it do what you want.  It may not move sideways, but I assure you the
stern will move in one direction or another and then you apply what ever
directional component you want.  The presence of the rudder in the
slipstream is helpful, but not necessary.  I know very few twin skippers
that touch the wheel when close quarter maneuvering.  It's not better or
worse, just different.

IMHO!

Scott

Dave asked: How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream? If I told you, I'd have to shoot you :^) Just like back and fill if you asymmetrically apply thrust there is a moment of pulling or pushing the stern in one direction or another. The trick is to learn your boat and how to make use of it's unique handling traits to make it do what you want. It may not move sideways, but I assure you the stern will move in one direction or another and then you apply what ever directional component you want. The presence of the rudder in the slipstream is helpful, but not necessary. I know very few twin skippers that touch the wheel when close quarter maneuvering. It's not better or worse, just different. IMHO! Scott
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Robert Miller
Wed, Oct 24, 2007 7:01 PM

Scott,

I am glad that my original question started a discussion that is probably
helping a lot of people out there considering buying a trawler.  The
information so far from everyone has been exceptionally useful.  Scott and
Dave's budget seem doable in both cases, although Dave's might be easier on
the checkbook when time comes.  Also, all the information about the
differences in boats has me thinking smaller, more economical and safer.  I
can't comment about twin screw first single.  No experience.  Thanks for all
the info.

Robert

<[scott]  It's a twin, you don't use the rudder in close quarters>

How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream?

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

Scott, I am glad that my original question started a discussion that is probably helping a lot of people out there considering buying a trawler. The information so far from everyone has been exceptionally useful. Scott and Dave's budget seem doable in both cases, although Dave's might be easier on the checkbook when time comes. Also, all the information about the differences in boats has me thinking smaller, more economical and safer. I can't comment about twin screw first single. No experience. Thanks for all the info. Robert > > <[scott] It's a twin, you don't use the rudder in close quarters> > > How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream? > > Cheers > > Dave & Nancy > Swan Song > Roughwater 58
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bob england
Thu, Oct 25, 2007 12:42 AM

I could do just fine with NO rudders (in close quarters) maybe even better, in
my 52 foot Krogen.> From: scottebulger@gmail.com> To:
passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:51
-0700> Subject: Re: [PUP] Top five passagemakers> > Dave asked: > > How do you
walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream?> > If I told
you, I'd have to shoot you :^)> > Just like back and fill if you
asymmetrically apply thrust there is a moment> of pulling or pushing the stern
in one direction or another. The trick is> to learn your boat and how to make
use of it's unique handling traits to> make it do what you want. It may not
move sideways, but I assure you the> stern will move in one direction or
another and then you apply what ever> directional component you want. The
presence of the rudder in the> slipstream is helpful, but not necessary. I
know very few twin skippers> that touch the wheel when close quarter
maneuvering. It's not better or> worse, just different.> > IMHO!> > Scott>
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I could do just fine with NO rudders (in close quarters) maybe even better, in my 52 foot Krogen.> From: scottebulger@gmail.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:51 -0700> Subject: Re: [PUP] Top five passagemakers> > Dave asked: > > How do you walk the boat sideways without twin rudders in the slip stream?> > If I told you, I'd have to shoot you :^)> > Just like back and fill if you asymmetrically apply thrust there is a moment> of pulling or pushing the stern in one direction or another. The trick is> to learn your boat and how to make use of it's unique handling traits to> make it do what you want. It may not move sideways, but I assure you the> stern will move in one direction or another and then you apply what ever> directional component you want. The presence of the rudder in the> slipstream is helpful, but not necessary. I know very few twin skippers> that touch the wheel when close quarter maneuvering. It's not better or> worse, just different.> > IMHO!> > Scott> _______________________________________________> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power> > To unsubscribe send email to> passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message.> > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.> _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline