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donnieyoung1@cox.net

Sat, May 26, 2007 9:06 PM

Any recommendations as to installing the Coast Guard documentation numbers on a hull support member?

Donnie Young
Cloud IX

Any recommendations as to installing the Coast Guard documentation numbers on a hull support member? Donnie Young Cloud IX

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Kevin Redden

Sun, May 27, 2007 10:30 PM

-----Original Message-----
Any recommendations as to installing the Coast Guard documentation numbers
on a hull support member?

Donnie,

Assuming that you are talking about a fiberglass boat, just buy the 3" stick on
numbers and letters you can get at any boating store. Stick these on any part of
the hull structure, and then lay one thin layer of fiberglass over them, painted
on with epoxy. If you want to get fancy, mask off the area before painting on
the epoxy to get straight edges.

After the epoxy wets out the cloth, it will go transparent, and when it set up,
you've then got a permanent set of numbers that will keep the Coasties happy.

Kevin

> -----Original Message----- > Any recommendations as to installing the Coast Guard documentation numbers > on a hull support member? Donnie, Assuming that you are talking about a fiberglass boat, just buy the 3" stick on numbers and letters you can get at any boating store. Stick these on any part of the hull structure, and then lay one thin layer of fiberglass over them, painted on with epoxy. If you want to get fancy, mask off the area before painting on the epoxy to get straight edges. After the epoxy wets out the cloth, it will go transparent, and when it set up, you've then got a permanent set of numbers that will keep the Coasties happy. Kevin

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Woody and Kathy

Mon, May 28, 2007 4:53 AM

Donnie:

If the member is wood, hand carve, or use a router with a vee bit and
templates. If fiberglass, you can print on rice paper, either ink jet, or
lazer printer, sand the fiberglass smooth with 80 grit, then wet the glass
with epoxy resin. Lay the rice paper in the resin, cover with boat cloth,
and wet it out good with more resin. Do not use polyester resin, because it
will not bond well. The rice paper will disappear in the resin, and you will
only see the numbers....remember the ( No.) in front of the number!

Some printers will run the rice paper on its own, whilst some require it to
be attached to a carrier sheet.

Woody
Marben 27
Port Orchard, WA

Donnie: If the member is wood, hand carve, or use a router with a vee bit and templates. If fiberglass, you can print on rice paper, either ink jet, or lazer printer, sand the fiberglass smooth with 80 grit, then wet the glass with epoxy resin. Lay the rice paper in the resin, cover with boat cloth, and wet it out good with more resin. Do not use polyester resin, because it will not bond well. The rice paper will disappear in the resin, and you will only see the numbers....remember the ( No.) in front of the number! Some printers will run the rice paper on its own, whilst some require it to be attached to a carrier sheet. Woody Marben 27 Port Orchard, WA

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Gregory Han

Mon, May 28, 2007 10:13 AM

Get a stencil kit from art store or West Marine has them with dinghy
paint in a kit.

Stencil directly on member or on piece of wood and then glue it to member

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Any recommendations as to installing the Coast Guard documentation numbers on a hull support member?

Donnie Young
Cloud IX

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Dr. Gordon Anderson

Mon, May 28, 2007 10:36 PM

My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted with
screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this
sufficient to satisfy the requirements?

Gordon

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USCG Doc. No.: 1177849
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LA Licata

Mon, May 28, 2007 10:42 PM

If it can be removed with no evidence that it was ever there, then no.

Lee

PS: My doc# was on a bilge stringer, encased in multiple layers of
epoxy.

Lee

On 29 May 2007, at 01:36, Dr. Gordon Anderson wrote:

My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches
mounted with
screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this
sufficient to satisfy the requirements?

Gordon

USMY Alchemy
USCG Doc. No.: 1177849
Current Anchorage - Gold Coast Yacht Club, Hong Kong
Email: alchemy@post.com
Web Site: http://www.alchemy-trawler.com/
Blog: http://usmvalchemy.spaces.live.com/

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If it can be removed with no evidence that it was ever there, then no. Lee PS: My doc# was on a bilge stringer, encased in multiple layers of epoxy. Lee On 29 May 2007, at 01:36, Dr. Gordon Anderson wrote: My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted with screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this sufficient to satisfy the requirements? Gordon USMY Alchemy USCG Doc. No.: 1177849 Current Anchorage - Gold Coast Yacht Club, Hong Kong Email: alchemy@post.com Web Site: http://www.alchemy-trawler.com/ Blog: http://usmvalchemy.spaces.live.com/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

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Woody and Kathy

Tue, May 29, 2007 12:03 AM

My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted with
screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this
sufficient to satisfy the requirements?

Gordon:

The requirements are such that removal cause obvious trace of removal. Since
this is now an area controlled by Homeland Security (of which I have no
trust) you could have your documentation number carved either by hand, or by
router into a structural member (deck beam, stringer and etc.) relatively
inexpensively whilst in Hong Kong. Remember the letters No. are part of the
documentation number. The teak piece can just stay where it is, there is
regulation against having multiple numbers, but there are penalties for not
having a proper number. I know this by experience, but did escape the
penalty by carving the "No." before the coasties departed my boat, and that
was before the advent of Homeland Security.

Sorry I cannot quote the regulations offhand, but you can find them on-line
with a wee bit of searching.

Woody
Marben 27
Port Orchard, WA

My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted with screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this sufficient to satisfy the requirements? Gordon: The requirements are such that removal cause obvious trace of removal. Since this is now an area controlled by Homeland Security (of which I have no trust) you could have your documentation number carved either by hand, or by router into a structural member (deck beam, stringer and etc.) relatively inexpensively whilst in Hong Kong. Remember the letters No. are part of the documentation number. The teak piece can just stay where it is, there is regulation against having multiple numbers, but there are penalties for not having a proper number. I know this by experience, but did escape the penalty by carving the "No." before the coasties departed my boat, and that was before the advent of Homeland Security. Sorry I cannot quote the regulations offhand, but you can find them on-line with a wee bit of searching. Woody Marben 27 Port Orchard, WA

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Ted Stehle

Tue, May 29, 2007 12:53 AM

From the Coast Guard Documentation Center website:

HOW DO I MARK MY VESSEL?
The official number assigned to documented vessels, preceded of the
abbreviation "NO." must be marked in block-type Arabic numerals at least
three inches high on some clearly visible interior structural part of the
hull. The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or
replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the
surrounding hull area.

The name and hailing port of a recreational vessel must be marked together
on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The vessel name of a
commercial vessel must also be marked on the port and starboard bow and the
vessel name and the hailing port must also be marked on the stern. All
markings may be made by any means and materials that result in durable
markings and must be at least four inches in height, made in clearly legible
letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals. The "hailing
port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in
the United States. The state may be abbreviated.
Top of Page

Ted Stehle
Cruising & News Editor
Waterway Guide
www.waterwayguide.com
tstehle@waterwayguide.com

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My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted
with
screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this
sufficient to satisfy the requirements?

Gordon

USMY Alchemy
USCG Doc. No.: 1177849
Current Anchorage - Gold Coast Yacht Club, Hong Kong
Email: alchemy@post.com
Web Site: http://www.alchemy-trawler.com/
Blog: http://usmvalchemy.spaces.live.com/

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>From the Coast Guard Documentation Center website: HOW DO I MARK MY VESSEL? The official number assigned to documented vessels, preceded of the abbreviation "NO." must be marked in block-type Arabic numerals at least three inches high on some clearly visible interior structural part of the hull. The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area. The name and hailing port of a recreational vessel must be marked together on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The vessel name of a commercial vessel must also be marked on the port and starboard bow and the vessel name and the hailing port must also be marked on the stern. All markings may be made by any means and materials that result in durable markings and must be at least four inches in height, made in clearly legible letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals. The "hailing port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated. Top of Page Ted Stehle Cruising & News Editor Waterway Guide www.waterwayguide.com tstehle@waterwayguide.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Gordon Anderson" <alchemy@post.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: T&T: Doc # > My boat (built in China) came with a teak board - 6 x 24 inches mounted > with > screws and plugs in the Pilot House with the number routed in. Is this > sufficient to satisfy the requirements? > > Gordon > > USMY Alchemy > USCG Doc. No.: 1177849 > Current Anchorage - Gold Coast Yacht Club, Hong Kong > Email: alchemy@post.com > Web Site: http://www.alchemy-trawler.com/ > Blog: http://usmvalchemy.spaces.live.com/ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 > 3:05 PM > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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