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David H Sorenson
Fri, Jan 9, 2009 4:45 PM

We are considering taking the leap and getting a new (to us) boat this
spring/summer. My concern is cruising it back to Duluth from the Detroit
area. Here are the pertinent details. The boat is a semi-displacement
hull, pilothouse trawler, about 42 feet LOA with twins, displacing about
40,000 lbs, active stabilizers, a full suite of electronics and remote
control search light, vintage about 10 years old. The engines have
relatively low hours.

We have 10 years of boating experience on Lake Superior and have done
night running, but we have never ran all night. I anticipate a crew of
three (including me as skipper). Weather permitting, I would like to run
the length of Lake Huron from Port Huron to Detour Village, MI (entrance
to the St. Marys River) in one shot, a distance of about 220 miles.
Assuming a speed of about 9 knots, we are looking at a 24 hour run. After
arriving in Ste. St. Marie, MI, resting etc., and conditions permitting,
we would like to run another 240 or so miles to the Houghton, MI area in
one shot, again an overnight run. And then another 200 mile run on to
Duluth, after resting in the Houghton area. We have no schedule other
than to get home as quickly as is prudent. We plan to stay relatively
close to the American shores and out of the shipping lanes.

What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us?

David Sorenson
Duluth, MN


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We are considering taking the leap and getting a new (to us) boat this spring/summer. My concern is cruising it back to Duluth from the Detroit area. Here are the pertinent details. The boat is a semi-displacement hull, pilothouse trawler, about 42 feet LOA with twins, displacing about 40,000 lbs, active stabilizers, a full suite of electronics and remote control search light, vintage about 10 years old. The engines have relatively low hours. We have 10 years of boating experience on Lake Superior and have done night running, but we have never ran all night. I anticipate a crew of three (including me as skipper). Weather permitting, I would like to run the length of Lake Huron from Port Huron to Detour Village, MI (entrance to the St. Marys River) in one shot, a distance of about 220 miles. Assuming a speed of about 9 knots, we are looking at a 24 hour run. After arriving in Ste. St. Marie, MI, resting etc., and conditions permitting, we would like to run another 240 or so miles to the Houghton, MI area in one shot, again an overnight run. And then another 200 mile run on to Duluth, after resting in the Houghton area. We have no schedule other than to get home as quickly as is prudent. We plan to stay relatively close to the American shores and out of the shipping lanes. What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us? David Sorenson Duluth, MN ____________________________________________________________ Start your medical billing career! Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw38dqUL0WqFnMVlkA4n6TjgFNwhsDqCdam4qaVJs3mmZaFqM/
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Robert Deering
Fri, Jan 9, 2009 5:17 PM

David,

If you do this in June you should have relatively long hours of daylight.
Since you're not offshore, why not just anchor up for the short night so
everyone can get a proper night's rest?  You won't be losing that many
hours, and the risk due to night running and fatigue will be a whole lot
less.

Seems like it'd be a nice trip - why the rush?

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

On 1/9/09 7:45 AM, "David H Sorenson" davidsorenson@juno.com wrote:

What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us?

David, If you do this in June you should have relatively long hours of daylight. Since you're not offshore, why not just anchor up for the short night so everyone can get a proper night's rest? You won't be losing that many hours, and the risk due to night running and fatigue will be a whole lot less. Seems like it'd be a nice trip - why the rush? Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska On 1/9/09 7:45 AM, "David H Sorenson" <davidsorenson@juno.com> wrote: > What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us?
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Anthony Thorne
Fri, Jan 9, 2009 9:17 PM

Depending upon age, you will need more recovery time than you can believe.
It is not easy to stay up and alert thru your normal sleeping hours,
As usual your experience may vary
Anthony and Jane, Carmen NT42 La Paz

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM, David H Sorenson davidsorenson@juno.comwrote:

We are considering taking the leap and getting a new (to us) boat
this......
What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us?

David Sorenson
Duluth, MN


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Depending upon age, you will need more recovery time than you can believe. It is not easy to stay up and alert thru your normal sleeping hours, As usual your experience may vary Anthony and Jane, Carmen NT42 La Paz On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM, David H Sorenson <davidsorenson@juno.com>wrote: > We are considering taking the leap and getting a new (to us) boat > this...... > What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the list for us? > > David Sorenson > Duluth, MN > ____________________________________________________________ > Start your medical billing career! Click here for more information. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw38dqUL0WqFnMVlkA4n6TjgFNwhsDqCdam4qaVJs3mmZaFqM/ > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Jeffrey Siegel
Fri, Jan 9, 2009 9:42 PM

What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the
list for us?

I think that "overnights" are exciting, interesting, scary, boring,
dangerous, calming, and fun.  It's all those things.  I'm really glad
that we do a few to stay in shape.  I think it has given me a better
understanding of my abilities and limitations.

If you have the luxury of picking the right night, choose one where the
moon is out for the darkest part and is mostly full.  With those
conditions, you can see pretty well if everything is kept very dark.
You have to be very comfortable with your electronics and radar (all
pilots).  You obviously have to pick a proper weather window, especially
for the first time.

We didn't do an overnight until we had about 5,000 nm under our belts.
Now if the conditions present themselves and we're interested in jumping
the distance, we go.  We do hourly engine room checks during the day and
2-3 hour checks at night.  We start out in two hour shifts: 8pm-10pm,
10pm-midnight, and then switch to three hour shifts: 12am-3am, 3am-6am.
When one is piloting, the other is sleeping.  The pilot is not allowed
out of the pilothouse during the shift for any reason without waking up
the other person.  No one is allowed to be annoyed if they get woken up
(it has rarely happened).

You'd need to find the rules that work best for you.

We've also done double-overnights.  Now I know that for some cruisers on
this list who have jumped across oceans, this isn't a big deal at all.
And to be honest, a double isn't any more difficult than a single -
although I wouldn't want to do much more than 2 nights with only 2
people aboard - you start losing too much sleep.

Here's a video I took at 3:30am with my mobile phone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK1eH7gnd5c

That overnight turned into a double-overnight because the weather was so
calm that it just didn't make sense to stop.  We left Charleston, SC.
The video is that night off the coast of Georgia.  We eventually pulled
in a day and a half later into Port Canaveral.

Having an internet connection while on watch is really nice.  Searching
destinations, reading Wikipedia, and just messing around makes the hours
fly by.  I've even made T&T postings while offshore overnight!

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Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53PH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

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> What words of wisdom, warning, or advice has the > list for us? > I think that "overnights" are exciting, interesting, scary, boring, dangerous, calming, and fun. It's all those things. I'm really glad that we do a few to stay in shape. I think it has given me a better understanding of my abilities and limitations. If you have the luxury of picking the right night, choose one where the moon is out for the darkest part and is mostly full. With those conditions, you can see pretty well if everything is kept very dark. You have to be very comfortable with your electronics and radar (all pilots). You obviously have to pick a proper weather window, especially for the first time. We didn't do an overnight until we had about 5,000 nm under our belts. Now if the conditions present themselves and we're interested in jumping the distance, we go. We do hourly engine room checks during the day and 2-3 hour checks at night. We start out in two hour shifts: 8pm-10pm, 10pm-midnight, and then switch to three hour shifts: 12am-3am, 3am-6am. When one is piloting, the other is sleeping. The pilot is not allowed out of the pilothouse during the shift for any reason without waking up the other person. No one is allowed to be annoyed if they get woken up (it has rarely happened). You'd need to find the rules that work best for you. We've also done double-overnights. Now I know that for some cruisers on this list who have jumped across oceans, this isn't a big deal at all. And to be honest, a double isn't any more difficult than a single - although I wouldn't want to do much more than 2 nights with only 2 people aboard - you start losing too much sleep. Here's a video I took at 3:30am with my mobile phone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK1eH7gnd5c That overnight turned into a double-overnight because the weather was so calm that it just didn't make sense to stop. We left Charleston, SC. The video is that night off the coast of Georgia. We eventually pulled in a day and a half later into Port Canaveral. Having an internet connection while on watch is really nice. Searching destinations, reading Wikipedia, and just messing around makes the hours fly by. I've even made T&T postings while offshore overnight! ================================== Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53PH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine www.activecaptain.com Content, Communications, Community ..