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HallquistS@immunex.com

Wed, Jan 17, 2001 8:02 PM

There is definitely a lot of confusion out there about license requirements
and frankly the FCC is not that helpful in clarifying things.

A U.S. citizen does need to hold a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's
Permit (RROP) )to transmit legally on VHF frequencies in Canada from a
vessel. See http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html.

An RROP costs $50. I know because I just received mine. It basically is a
wallet-sized piece of paper that has your name on it. No test is required,
just an application indicating your name and address. You can pay over the
internet using the FCC's CORES system.

The RROP requirements are specified at
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/commoperators/rp.html.

I would bet that most of the U.S. boaters operating in Canada do not have
the license, but the law is the law. I have no idea if there is any
enforcement of this requirement.

Scott Hallquist
"Makai"
Nordhavn 5015
Seattle, WA

There is definitely a lot of confusion out there about license requirements and frankly the FCC is not that helpful in clarifying things. A U.S. citizen does need to hold a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's Permit (RROP) )to transmit legally on VHF frequencies in Canada from a vessel. See http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html. An RROP costs $50. I know because I just received mine. It basically is a wallet-sized piece of paper that has your name on it. No test is required, just an application indicating your name and address. You can pay over the internet using the FCC's CORES system. The RROP requirements are specified at http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/commoperators/rp.html. I would bet that most of the U.S. boaters operating in Canada do not have the license, but the law is the law. I have no idea if there is any enforcement of this requirement. Scott Hallquist "Makai" Nordhavn 5015 Seattle, WA

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scaramouche@tvo.org

Wed, Jan 17, 2001 9:36 PM

HallquistS@immunex.com writes:

A U.S. citizen does need to hold a Restricted Radiotelephone
Operator's
Permit (RROP) )to transmit legally on VHF frequencies in Canada
from a
vessel. See http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html.

An RROP costs $50. I know because I just received mine. It
basically is a
wallet-sized piece of paper that has your name on it. No test is
required,
just an application indicating your name and address

I find that disconcerting. A Canadian needs a similar licence -ROC.
But you need to take a course and pass an examination. The idea is -
I am told - to educate the operator in clear and conscise use of
language and especially emergency procedures, correct use of calling
channel etc, and avoid the "Breaker - breaker, got your ears on good
buddy" type conversations from the highway CBs.

George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario, Canada

HallquistS@immunex.com writes: >A U.S. citizen does need to hold a Restricted Radiotelephone >Operator's >Permit (RROP) )to transmit legally on VHF frequencies in Canada >from a >vessel. See http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html. > >An RROP costs $50. I know because I just received mine. It >basically is a >wallet-sized piece of paper that has your name on it. No test is >required, >just an application indicating your name and address I find that disconcerting. A Canadian needs a similar licence -ROC. But you need to take a course and pass an examination. The idea is - I am told - to educate the operator in clear and conscise use of language and especially emergency procedures, correct use of calling channel etc, and avoid the "Breaker - breaker, got your ears on good buddy" type conversations from the highway CBs. George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario, Canada

JD

jim_donohue@computer.org

Thu, Jan 18, 2001 5:15 PM

I don't think

http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html.

is an authoritative source. What Industry Canada says - speaking of
Canadian recreational boats is:

Do I need a licence for the marine radio equipment on board my vessel?
You will not require a licence if you meet both of the following criteria:

the vessel is not operated in the sovereign waters of a country other than
Canada or the USA.

the radio equipment on board the vessel is only capable of operating on
frequencies that are allocated for maritime mobile communications or marine
radio navigation. You can verify whether the frequencies you use are in the
maritime mobile band by referring to Radiocommunication Information Circular
13 (RIC-13).
If you do not meet both of the above criteria, you will require a radio
licence. You can contact your local Industry Canada office for more
information. All of the Industry Canada offices can be found in RIC-66.

Given that these accomodations are generally bilateral I presume US boats
can operate in Canadian waters.

Jim

George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario, Canada

I don't think http://www.ncf.ca/boating/us.html. is an authoritative source. What Industry Canada says - speaking of Canadian recreational boats is: ________________________________________________________ Do I need a licence for the marine radio equipment on board my vessel? You will not require a licence if you meet both of the following criteria: the vessel is not operated in the sovereign waters of a country other than Canada or the USA. the radio equipment on board the vessel is only capable of operating on frequencies that are allocated for maritime mobile communications or marine radio navigation. You can verify whether the frequencies you use are in the maritime mobile band by referring to Radiocommunication Information Circular 13 (RIC-13). If you do not meet both of the above criteria, you will require a radio licence. You can contact your local Industry Canada office for more information. All of the Industry Canada offices can be found in RIC-66. _____________________________________________________________ Given that these accomodations are generally bilateral I presume US boats can operate in Canadian waters. Jim > > George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario, Canada > > >

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scaramouche@tvo.org

Fri, Jan 19, 2001 12:22 AM

jim_donohue@computer.org writes:

What Industry Canada says - speaking of
Canadian recreational boats is:

I know all of this but what I am trying to get into everybody's head
is that there are two issues: The one of the station license, issued
to a boat, not a person - adequately covered by your comments.

But and a big BUT: There is the issue of the operators competence
certificate. It is called a ROC (restricted operators certificate) it
is a separate paper, issued to a person, not to a boat and that is
required in both countries.

How many more times do I have to say TWO, two, 2, 2, 2, 2, eh?

George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario

jim_donohue@computer.org writes: > What Industry Canada says - speaking of >Canadian recreational boats is: I know all of this but what I am trying to get into everybody's head is that there are two issues: The one of the station license, issued to a boat, not a person - adequately covered by your comments. But and a big BUT: There is the issue of the operators competence certificate. It is called a ROC (restricted operators certificate) it is a separate paper, issued to a person, not to a boat and that is required in both countries. How many more times do I have to say TWO, two, 2, 2, 2, 2, eh? George of Scaramouche on Lake Ontario

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