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USB to Serial Connectors for GPS Modules

W
WB6BNQ
Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21 AM

Brian,

Have you measured the voltages with a scope to see if it may not be a compliance
problem ?

Bill....WB6BNQ

"bjones0@mindspring.com" wrote:

Nic -  I have tried several of each... and even tried using the breakout
box to create a crossover/null modem but no luck.

Brooke -
Thanks for the insight.  I will tear in to it this weekend and see what
I can find.

Thanks.

-Brian

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:33 +1100, Nic McLean wrote:

Are you using a straight through or crossover serial cable?
Nic

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Brooke Clarke
Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 2:35 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt serial port

Hi Brian:

There have been a small number of problems related to poor solder joints on
U9
(RS-232 chip) or the serial connector. see:
http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#Maint

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com

bjones0@mindspring.com wrote:

I'm tired of banging my head against the wall so I think it is time to
ask.. Is there a way to test if the serial port on the Thunderbolt
works?  I know the Thunderbolt itself powers up and works (I get a
9.9999978 Mhz signal out of the 10Mhz output when it is on) but I have
been unable to talk/listen to it in Windows (tboltmon or Lady Heather)
or in Linux (even looking at the raw serial port state).  I stuck my
breakout box on the line but I get no lights on the Thunderbolt side.

Thanks,
Brian


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Brian, Have you measured the voltages with a scope to see if it may not be a compliance problem ? Bill....WB6BNQ "bjones0@mindspring.com" wrote: > Nic - I have tried several of each... and even tried using the breakout > box to create a crossover/null modem but no luck. > > Brooke - > Thanks for the insight. I will tear in to it this weekend and see what > I can find. > > Thanks. > > -Brian > > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:33 +1100, Nic McLean wrote: > > Are you using a straight through or crossover serial cable? > > Nic > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of Brooke Clarke > > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 2:35 PM > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt serial port > > > > Hi Brian: > > > > There have been a small number of problems related to poor solder joints on > > U9 > > (RS-232 chip) or the serial connector. see: > > http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#Maint > > > > Have Fun, > > > > Brooke Clarke > > http://www.prc68.com > > > > bjones0@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I'm tired of banging my head against the wall so I think it is time to > > > ask.. Is there a way to test if the serial port on the Thunderbolt > > > works? I know the Thunderbolt itself powers up and works (I get a > > > 9.9999978 Mhz signal out of the 10Mhz output when it is on) but I have > > > been unable to talk/listen to it in Windows (tboltmon or Lady Heather) > > > or in Linux (even looking at the raw serial port state). I stuck my > > > breakout box on the line but I get no lights on the Thunderbolt side. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
B
bjones0@mindspring.com
Sun, Feb 22, 2009 12:57 AM

I got around to tearing into the Thunderbolt this afternoon and after
testing the serial port and traces in every way I could I found the
problem... The power supply (which got with it in the TAPR buy) went
south apparently.  I got a 24v difference between pins 1 & 6 but when
you checked them against the common the +12v line was @ +6v and the -12v
line was -18v.  The 5v line did not even register.  I pulled a computer
power supply and modified it slightly and once I was providing proper
voltage it works like a champ.
I never thought to suspect the power supply because when I added the
plug it tested (voltages) okay and once I hooked up the Thunderbolt the
first time it exhibited the same behavior (no serial and the 9.9999978
Mhz on the 10Mhz output).

Is there anything wrong with running the Thunderbolt from a Computer
PSU?

Thanks for all the help!
Brian

And just passing some unrelated info along... While looking for some
weather related info I ran across someone who was selling new Trimble
active GPS antennas w/ a nice long cable (PN 40767-40) for $15 and now
that my Thunderbolt works I was able to test it and it seems to work
fine (even indoors!).  If anyone want to contact him: Eric Wolf
eric.n5ebw@gmail.com .  Also he emailed me this after I told him it was
working:
"I wanted to pass along something that I have had in my inventory for
about 6 months but cannot find the use for.  It's an AVCOM Microwave
Distribution Module that basically splits a 1575 MHz GPS signal, and
amplifies it to 8 different antennas.  The exact model is MDM-1575-8 and
the description reads:
"The MDM-1575-8 is an 8-way, amplified, 1575 MHz power divider.  The
INPUT port has +5VDC on connector and the 8 OUTPUT ports are DC
Blocked." "

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Brooke Clarke
Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 2:35 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt serial port

Hi Brian:

There have been a small number of problems related to poor solder joints on
U9
(RS-232 chip) or the serial connector. see:
http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#Maint

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com

bjones0@mindspring.com wrote:

I'm tired of banging my head against the wall so I think it is time to
ask.. Is there a way to test if the serial port on the Thunderbolt
works?  I know the Thunderbolt itself powers up and works (I get a
9.9999978 Mhz signal out of the 10Mhz output when it is on) but I have
been unable to talk/listen to it in Windows (tboltmon or Lady Heather)
or in Linux (even looking at the raw serial port state).  I stuck my
breakout box on the line but I get no lights on the Thunderbolt side.

Thanks,
Brian


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I got around to tearing into the Thunderbolt this afternoon and after testing the serial port and traces in every way I could I found the problem... The power supply (which got with it in the TAPR buy) went south apparently. I got a 24v difference between pins 1 & 6 but when you checked them against the common the +12v line was @ +6v and the -12v line was -18v. The 5v line did not even register. I pulled a computer power supply and modified it slightly and once I was providing proper voltage it works like a champ. I never thought to suspect the power supply because when I added the plug it tested (voltages) okay and once I hooked up the Thunderbolt the first time it exhibited the same behavior (no serial and the 9.9999978 Mhz on the 10Mhz output). Is there anything wrong with running the Thunderbolt from a Computer PSU? Thanks for all the help! Brian And just passing some unrelated info along... While looking for some weather related info I ran across someone who was selling new Trimble active GPS antennas w/ a nice long cable (PN 40767-40) for $15 and now that my Thunderbolt works I was able to test it and it seems to work fine (even indoors!). If anyone want to contact him: Eric Wolf eric.n5ebw@gmail.com . Also he emailed me this after I told him it was working: "I wanted to pass along something that I have had in my inventory for about 6 months but cannot find the use for. It's an AVCOM Microwave Distribution Module that basically splits a 1575 MHz GPS signal, and amplifies it to 8 different antennas. The exact model is MDM-1575-8 and the description reads: "The MDM-1575-8 is an 8-way, amplified, 1575 MHz power divider. The INPUT port has +5VDC on connector and the 8 OUTPUT ports are DC Blocked." " > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Brooke Clarke > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 2:35 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt serial port > > Hi Brian: > > There have been a small number of problems related to poor solder joints on > U9 > (RS-232 chip) or the serial connector. see: > http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml#Maint > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Clarke > http://www.prc68.com > > bjones0@mindspring.com wrote: > > I'm tired of banging my head against the wall so I think it is time to > > ask.. Is there a way to test if the serial port on the Thunderbolt > > works? I know the Thunderbolt itself powers up and works (I get a > > 9.9999978 Mhz signal out of the 10Mhz output when it is on) but I have > > been unable to talk/listen to it in Windows (tboltmon or Lady Heather) > > or in Linux (even looking at the raw serial port state). I stuck my > > breakout box on the line but I get no lights on the Thunderbolt side. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.