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baumgart@starrstuff.com
Sun, Jan 2, 2000 6:51 AM

Boat - 1985 Wellcraft Californian with twin Cat 3208 NAs.

I've already developed my fuel/range curve for running on twin engines - I
get aroune 1.2 nmpg to 0.85 nmpg over the range of speeds from 8.5 to 15
knots.  With a 35 foot waterline, the hull speed is about 7.5 knots.  Flat
out, the boat will run 17 knots at 2500 rpm.  Our usual cruise with twin
engines running is 13.7 knots at 2250 RPM (0.9 nmpg).

Interesting Data:

On both engines, to run 7 knots takes 1200 rpm and yields a (calculated)
nmpg of  1.8.

On a single engine, to run at 7 knots takes only 1500 rpm.  Using my
figures from Caterpillar, this makes for 3.5 nmpg and thus about doubles
the range of the boat.  Under a single engine, the boat can only turn 2100
RPM and reach 9 knots.  At around 8.5 knots the fuel burn is equal - above
that it is cheaper to run both engines.

The Caterpillar manual says to run the engine in neutral for 5 minutes
every few hours when it's freewheeling the prop to lubricate the transmission.

At least on paper, this extends our range at 7 knots / one engine to over
1000 nmiles!

Also on paper, at 9 knots, the boat has about 100 miles LESS range on a
single than by running both engines.

I am interested if anyone else has developed similar data for twin engine
boats and what their real-world experience has been running on a single.

-JimB
Jim Baumgart
<")))>><
(760)749-4257 San Diego

Boat - 1985 Wellcraft Californian with twin Cat 3208 NAs. I've already developed my fuel/range curve for running on twin engines - I get aroune 1.2 nmpg to 0.85 nmpg over the range of speeds from 8.5 to 15 knots. With a 35 foot waterline, the hull speed is about 7.5 knots. Flat out, the boat will run 17 knots at 2500 rpm. Our usual cruise with twin engines running is 13.7 knots at 2250 RPM (0.9 nmpg). Interesting Data: On both engines, to run 7 knots takes 1200 rpm and yields a (calculated) nmpg of 1.8. On a single engine, to run at 7 knots takes only 1500 rpm. Using my figures from Caterpillar, this makes for 3.5 nmpg and thus about doubles the range of the boat. Under a single engine, the boat can only turn 2100 RPM and reach 9 knots. At around 8.5 knots the fuel burn is equal - above that it is cheaper to run both engines. The Caterpillar manual says to run the engine in neutral for 5 minutes every few hours when it's freewheeling the prop to lubricate the transmission. At least on paper, this extends our range at 7 knots / one engine to over 1000 nmiles! Also on paper, at 9 knots, the boat has about 100 miles LESS range on a single than by running both engines. I am interested if anyone else has developed similar data for twin engine boats and what their real-world experience has been running on a single. -JimB Jim Baumgart <")))>>< (760)749-4257 San Diego
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dolph64@earthlink.net
Sun, Jan 2, 2000 11:52 PM

Interesting Data:

On both engines, to run 7 knots takes 1200 rpm and yields a (calculated)
nmpg of  1.8.

On a single engine, to run at 7 knots takes only 1500 rpm.  Using my
figures from Caterpillar, this makes for 3.5 nmpg and thus about doubles
the range of the boat.  Under a single engine, the boat can only turn 2100
RPM and reach 9 knots.  At around 8.5 knots the fuel burn is equal. Above
that it is cheaper to run both engines.

Jim,
When I had my Grand Banks I found the same sort of data running on one
vrs. two, engines. You can do even better if you take off one wheel.
That information proved to me that Robert Bebee was right. We went from
a twin screw semi displacement hull to a full displacement single engine
boat. We certainly can't do your 17 knots but we can travel at @ 8 knots
for more than 2300 miles, on 1000 gallons of diesel. If we go slower the
range can go as high as 3000 miles.
I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.

Dolph and Bev McCranie
M/V The Right Whale (KK 48)

Dolph McCranie dolph64@earthlink.net

> Interesting Data: > > On both engines, to run 7 knots takes 1200 rpm and yields a (calculated) > nmpg of 1.8. > > On a single engine, to run at 7 knots takes only 1500 rpm. Using my > figures from Caterpillar, this makes for 3.5 nmpg and thus about doubles > the range of the boat. Under a single engine, the boat can only turn 2100 > RPM and reach 9 knots. At around 8.5 knots the fuel burn is equal. Above > that it is cheaper to run both engines. > Jim, When I had my Grand Banks I found the same sort of data running on one vrs. two, engines. You can do even better if you take off one wheel. That information proved to me that Robert Bebee was right. We went from a twin screw semi displacement hull to a full displacement single engine boat. We certainly can't do your 17 knots but we can travel at @ 8 knots for more than 2300 miles, on 1000 gallons of diesel. If we go slower the range can go as high as 3000 miles. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice. Dolph and Bev McCranie M/V The Right Whale (KK 48) Dolph McCranie <dolph64@earthlink.net>
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herlaw@onramp.net
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 3:01 PM

i dont usually complain about things like this but 5 days is a long time
not to get any mail...
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i dont usually complain about things like this but 5 days is a long time not to get any mail... Help Linda Hack Evaluation P.O. Box 595314 Review Dallas, Texas 75359 Legal 214-467-4551 Assistance 214-384-5584 Worldwide herlaw@onramp.net http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw and http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw/safari __________________________________________________________ Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, _227, any and all non-solicited commercial E-Mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500.00 US. Emailing denotes acceptance of these terms.
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arider@bellsouth.net
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 10:28 PM

Maybe it is the $ 500.00 archival fee you note in your signature ??

Bob  Clinkenbeard
To accomplish a great task you must act....and dream.

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----- Original Message -----
From: linda hack herlaw@onramp.net
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:01 AM
Subject: TWL: no mail in 5 days

i dont usually complain about things like this but 5 days is a long time
not to get any mail...
Help Linda Hack
Evaluation P.O. Box 595314
Review Dallas, Texas 75359
Legal 214-467-4551
Assistance 214-384-5584
Worldwide herlaw@onramp.net
http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw  and
http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw/safari


Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, _227, any and all
non-solicited commercial E-Mail sent to this address is subject to a
download and archival fee in the amount of $500.00 US. Emailing denotes
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Maybe it is the $ 500.00 archival fee you note in your signature ?? Bob Clinkenbeard To accomplish a great task you must act....and dream. TWIN SCREWS Enterprises * 1964 Chris Craft Roamer 56 Photos http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=163724&a=1673119 __________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: linda hack <herlaw@onramp.net> To: <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: TWL: no mail in 5 days > i dont usually complain about things like this but 5 days is a long time > not to get any mail... > Help Linda Hack > Evaluation P.O. Box 595314 > Review Dallas, Texas 75359 > Legal 214-467-4551 > Assistance 214-384-5584 > Worldwide herlaw@onramp.net > http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw and > http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw/safari > __________________________________________________________ > Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, _227, any and all > non-solicited commercial E-Mail sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee in the amount of $500.00 US. Emailing denotes > acceptance of these terms. > > >
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Russ@trawlerdogs.com
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 12:26 AM

Linda
Just what, exactly, are you complaining to the list about? We have nothing to
do with your mail!
Russ

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rhj@pacific.net.hk
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 10:19 AM

Careful Russ you'll get hit with $500... :)

Just what, exactly, are you complaining to the list about? We have nothing

to do with your mail!<

Rob
Hong Kong

Careful Russ you'll get hit with $500... :) >Just what, exactly, are you complaining to the list about? We have nothing to do with your mail!< Rob Hong Kong
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herlaw@onramp.net
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 1:57 AM

is there a particular reason a few male members complain about every post i
make to this list? i drive a vette altho a woman and we have a saying which
is comparable to that of the length of the boat about men who drive vettes-
does it apply here? - i have never said anything offensive to anyone on
this list that i am aware of but the comments i have received are not only
offensive but clearly unmanly and unseamanlike - dont get me mad...
btw - happy sailing!
At 05:26 PM 6/13/00 -0700, Russ Sherwin wrote:

Linda
Just what, exactly, are you complaining to the list about? We have nothing to
do with your mail!
Russ

Help Linda Hack
Evaluation P.O. Box 595314
Review Dallas, Texas 75359
Legal 214-467-4551
Assistance 214-384-5584
Worldwide herlaw@onramp.net
http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw  and
http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw/safari


Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, _227, any and all
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download and archival fee in the amount of $500.00 US. Emailing denotes
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is there a particular reason a few male members complain about every post i make to this list? i drive a vette altho a woman and we have a saying which is comparable to that of the length of the boat about men who drive vettes- does it apply here? - i have never said anything offensive to anyone on this list that i am aware of but the comments i have received are not only offensive but clearly unmanly and unseamanlike - dont get me mad... btw - happy sailing! At 05:26 PM 6/13/00 -0700, Russ Sherwin wrote: >Linda >Just what, exactly, are you complaining to the list about? We have nothing to >do with your mail! >Russ Help Linda Hack Evaluation P.O. Box 595314 Review Dallas, Texas 75359 Legal 214-467-4551 Assistance 214-384-5584 Worldwide herlaw@onramp.net http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw and http://rampages.onramp.net/~herlaw/safari __________________________________________________________ Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, _227, any and all non-solicited commercial E-Mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500.00 US. Emailing denotes acceptance of these terms.
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mikey@efni.com
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 2:36 AM

Folks,

Could we please just let this die a well deserved death? Or at least
keep the argument off the TW List

Thanks

Mike Eedy
TWL List Help Team
M/V Excalibur
North Bay ON
Mikey@efni.com

Folks, Could we please just let this die a well deserved death? Or at least keep the argument off the TW List Thanks Mike Eedy TWL List Help Team M/V Excalibur North Bay ON Mikey@efni.com