-----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Theresa R. Kennelly-Tessier Sent: January 4, 2009 9:03 PM To: panc_jefe@yahoo.com; 'Passagemaking Under Power List' Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc. Hello, A while ago a gentleman on this PUP site said he had a great relationship with his builder in Canada (East Coast). Could this gentleman advise us as to whom this builder was. Thanks in advance, Michael Tessier at ttessier@cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Haas Sent: January 4, 2009 6:43 PM To: Passagemaking Under Power List Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc. Ron: I just added your comments below to the Passagemaker wiki at: http://passagemaker.wikispaces.com/Length%2C+Width+and+Draft Please take a look. If you don' t want it there, please let me know, and I'll remove it. also, any comments or suggestions would be most welcome. Jonathan Haas --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Ron Rogers <rcrogers6@kennett.net> wrote: From: Ron Rogers <rcrogers6@kennett.net> Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc. To: mark424x@yahoo.com, "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 12:37 PM Long and skinny is good. A long and narrow Swede 55 sloop was moored next to me in Annapolis for the Bermuda Race. The race that year was very rough and she won. All agree that she would not have won had it not been so rough. She sliced through the waves while others pounded. That's the way Dashew designs his boats. BTW, my boathook also won the Bermuda race and I am still waiting for its return. Idlewild was purpose built for long range voyaging and has a high asking price. She lacks creature comforts and is powered for the task and no more. She probably has over-strength scantlings. Her qualities are not valued by most buyers and most voyagers want more want more comfortable surrounding similar to what the Diesel Ducks deliver. The Diesel Duck prices have climbed to near $500,000 FOB China. If you don't want to sail away, it will cost you another $100,000 delivered to Seattle or a port in Florida inclusive of commissioning. Dave and Nancy Cooper have a Roughwater 56' with a naval architect designed roll tank on their flybridge. Dave says it works perfectly both underweigh and at anchor. Properly designed simple is best. I would have both a roll tank and active stabilizers because the new more intelligent stabilizers can handle fore and aft pitching as well as rolling. My old, dumb Naiad 252's need to be centered and locked going into a 5 or 6 foot sea. The natural buoyancy of the Willard 40 design ensures that no water comes on deck (with 34 knots of wind.) My Willard's narrow fore and aft passageway is not what the Admiral usually looks for unless she has been in a serious seaway. BTW, my 1985 W40 FBS with a less efficient Perkins 6.534 gets 2.5 gph at 7.5 knots with the 8KW Onan powering the A/C units. If I back off to 7 knots and turn off the generator, I imagine this full-displacement hull could get Patrick's 1.5 gph. When diesel was at $4.00 I was thinking of 6 knots. Ron Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Mark --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Georgs Kolesnikovs > By the by, Idlewild is still for sale -- Having never been on the boat, I can't hazard a guess as to why she hasn't sold. I would caution about making conclusions about particular design elements from one boat. In addition to the long skinny attribute, and the basic systems attribute, the design for portage forced some trade offs, from the photos it also appears to have few creature comforts, and perhaps a bit high priced for what it is. Re stablization, I love the roll tank I idea. I believe someone on this list has one. It seems a bit to good to be true, otherwise we'd see them all over the place. Simple is good. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. 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Hello, A while ago a gentleman on this PUP site said he had a great relationship with his builder in Canada (East Coast). Could this gentleman advise us as To whom this builder was. Thanks in advance, Michael Tessier at ttessier@cogeco.ca _______________________ o;? That would be me, Theresa . . . . . YachtSmiths International is in Dartmouth, NS (here in the lower 48 I always think of it as Halifax). You can access their web site at: www.YachtSmiths com . Alan Alan Wagner Tampa, Florida Building "Passage of Time" in Nova Scotia at YachtSmiths International www.YachtSmiths.com http://kastenmarine.com/valdemar52.htm

I was reading this pup also and went to the builders site, I do know the company name but they are in Halifax and have a nice website and according to the attorney that lives in tampa everybody in the company has a common focus of quality. Will try and find the site. Tom KK4408 "Melodie" -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Alan Wagner Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:49 PM To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List' Subject: [PUP] Canadian Builder Hello, A while ago a gentleman on this PUP site said he had a great relationship with his builder in Canada (East Coast). Could this gentleman advise us as To whom this builder was. Thanks in advance, Michael Tessier at ttessier@cogeco.ca _______________________ o;? That would be me, Theresa . . . . . YachtSmiths International is in Dartmouth, NS (here in the lower 48 I always think of it as Halifax). You can access their web site at: www.YachtSmiths com . Alan Alan Wagner Tampa, Florida Building "Passage of Time" in Nova Scotia at YachtSmiths International www.YachtSmiths.com http://kastenmarine.com/valdemar52.htm _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

Canadian boat builder Found it, this is the yard that the attorney is using in Canada. http://www.yachtsmiths.com/ I was interested in this article because I did the down east route last summer and stopped in Halifax for a while awaiting weather. Tom KK4408 "Melodie" -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Alan Wagner Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:49 PM To: 'Passagemaking Under Power List' Subject: [PUP] Canadian Builder Hello, A while ago a gentleman on this PUP site said he had a great relationship with his builder in Canada (East Coast). Could this gentleman advise us as To whom this builder was. Thanks in advance, Michael Tessier at ttessier@cogeco.ca _______________________ o;? That would be me, Theresa . . . . . YachtSmiths International is in Dartmouth, NS (here in the lower 48 I always think of it as Halifax). You can access their web site at: www.YachtSmiths com . Alan Alan Wagner Tampa, Florida Building "Passage of Time" in Nova Scotia at YachtSmiths International www.YachtSmiths.com http://kastenmarine.com/valdemar52.htm _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.