Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
I wonder if this will also have any effect on Time Service for Computers, Personal and Commercial. A lot of MS Windows products check for the correct time using time servers access from the internet. I'm sure this will also affect outdoor clock towers which also use this reference.
Am I mistaken or is WWV the reference for all things dealing with the "time service"?
Don Resor
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I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something like "shutting down the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include the whole enchilada.
For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go to
battery-
backed AC power. But not so good for wristwatches, where the expectation is to run at uW power levels. I for one would be very irritated at having to take my watch off my wrist and put it on a charging stand every night. So if this shutdown comes to pass, I'll be looking for an inexpensive GPS-to-WWVB converter, or at least plans for building one.
Dana
And with dependence on GPS we have created a serious vulnerability as too many critical pieces of infrastructure are dependent on a SINGLE precision timing and positioning system.
I can use a sextant and have a copy of Bowditch. But they only work on clear days and nights.
if GPS goes down for any reason. Whats the backup solution?
On Aug 10, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Lester Veenstra m0ycm@veenstras.com wrote:
Used to work with Wayne on two time transfer via satellite
Great guy
Lester B Veenstra K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y
lester@veenstras.com
Physical and US Postal Addresses
5 Shrine Club Drive (Physical)
HC84 452 Stable Ln (RFD USPS Mail)
Keyser WV 26726
GPS: 39.336826 N 78.982287 W (Google)
GPS: 39.33682 N 78.9823741 W (GPSDO)
Telephones:
Home: +1-304-289-6057
US cell +1-304-790-9192
Jamaica cell: +1-876-456-8898
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Van Baak
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:19 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
Tim,
Thanks for posting that photo. That space age 1976 GOES clock caught our
eyes when the paper came out in 2005 (see also pages 11, 12, 13):
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2013.pdf
There was quite a bit of traffic on time-nuts around 2005 when the GOES
satellite time service was turned off (and back on, and off, and on, and
finally off for good). That left many of us with piles of 468 MHz GOES
receivers, antennae, clocks and led to efforts to re-create the RF signals
in-home so that GOES clocks would still work. There was even a commercial
G2G (GPS to GOES) translator.
Anyway, I asked around about that one-off bicentennial clock in the photo
and neither the authors, NIST, or Smithsonian knows where it ended up.
There's tons of information on the GOES satellite system and GOES clocks in
the NIST T&F archives:
https://tf.nist.gov/general/publications.htm
Best to search title for GOES, or search author for Hanson. It's a
fascinating glimpse into the recent past. Yes, it's sad that GOES (and
Omega, and Loran-C) aren't operational anymore, but GPS does such a better
job. Plus we now have cable, WiFi, cell phones, the internet, Iridium, etc.
If you wanted to build your own Bicentennial GOES Clock, the design was
published, including source code -- for its i4004 (!!) CPU. If you have even
one minute to spare, see attached image and click on these two PDF's:
"Satellite Controlled Digital Clock System (patent)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1791.pdf
"A Satellite-Controlled Digital Clock (NBS TN-681)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/452.pdf
/tvb
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To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
See the groovy picture at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4847573/figure/f9-j110-2lom/
If anyone knows the whereabouts or history of the bicentennial GOES time
clock display, please let me know!
Tim N3QE
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Hi
If GPS goes down, you then have Glonass. If Glonass goes down, you have Galileo. If all of those go down and you are in the
right region, the Chinese and Japanese both have systems you could use.
In terms of system failure, there’s a lot of redundancy out there ….. Yes, you would have to own gear that works with all
those systems. You might also go with multi-band (quad band maybe) gear to eliminate various other issues.
Widely deployed electronic navigation isn’t all that old. People got along for a really long time without it ….. That includes a whole
bunch of folks who had no clue how a sextant works.
Bob
On Aug 12, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Scott McGrath scmcgrath@gmail.com wrote:
And with dependence on GPS we have created a serious vulnerability as too many critical pieces of infrastructure are dependent on a SINGLE precision timing and positioning system.
I can use a sextant and have a copy of Bowditch. But they only work on clear days and nights.
if GPS goes down for any reason. Whats the backup solution?
On Aug 10, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Lester Veenstra m0ycm@veenstras.com wrote:
Used to work with Wayne on two time transfer via satellite
Great guy
Lester B Veenstra K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y
lester@veenstras.com
Physical and US Postal Addresses
5 Shrine Club Drive (Physical)
HC84 452 Stable Ln (RFD USPS Mail)
Keyser WV 26726
GPS: 39.336826 N 78.982287 W (Google)
GPS: 39.33682 N 78.9823741 W (GPSDO)
Telephones:
Home: +1-304-289-6057
US cell +1-304-790-9192
Jamaica cell: +1-876-456-8898
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Van Baak
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:19 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
Tim,
Thanks for posting that photo. That space age 1976 GOES clock caught our
eyes when the paper came out in 2005 (see also pages 11, 12, 13):
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2013.pdf
There was quite a bit of traffic on time-nuts around 2005 when the GOES
satellite time service was turned off (and back on, and off, and on, and
finally off for good). That left many of us with piles of 468 MHz GOES
receivers, antennae, clocks and led to efforts to re-create the RF signals
in-home so that GOES clocks would still work. There was even a commercial
G2G (GPS to GOES) translator.
Anyway, I asked around about that one-off bicentennial clock in the photo
and neither the authors, NIST, or Smithsonian knows where it ended up.
There's tons of information on the GOES satellite system and GOES clocks in
the NIST T&F archives:
https://tf.nist.gov/general/publications.htm
Best to search title for GOES, or search author for Hanson. It's a
fascinating glimpse into the recent past. Yes, it's sad that GOES (and
Omega, and Loran-C) aren't operational anymore, but GPS does such a better
job. Plus we now have cable, WiFi, cell phones, the internet, Iridium, etc.
If you wanted to build your own Bicentennial GOES Clock, the design was
published, including source code -- for its i4004 (!!) CPU. If you have even
one minute to spare, see attached image and click on these two PDF's:
"Satellite Controlled Digital Clock System (patent)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1791.pdf
"A Satellite-Controlled Digital Clock (NBS TN-681)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/452.pdf
/tvb
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To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
See the groovy picture at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4847573/figure/f9-j110-2lom/
If anyone knows the whereabouts or history of the bicentennial GOES time
clock display, please let me know!
Tim N3QE
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I agree with Bob that shutting down WWVB would not go over well with the voters but losing WWV and WWVH will mainly be noticed only by HAMs.
Dana, I’m puzzled by what you wrote. I have 8 clocks and 2 wristwatches that sync with WWVB. When band conditions are poor they miss a sync for a day but still they are good quartz clocks so the time readout is still OK. When the band conditions are good again they sync up once per day usually around 2am (according to the manual for my wristwatch). I can easily tell the sync status on all but 4 of my clocks and they sync successfully about 90% of the overnight times. My wristwatches are Citizen models that charge by solar which is nice since I have a perfectly in sync watch that never needs to be opened to change a battery.
I do like the idea of a GPS to WWVB timecode radio transmitter. I think that would sell well to folks on the fringe of coverage for WWVB such as Florida, Hawaii, and Alaska or other parts of the globe. I’ve found the real limitation to reception of WWVB is local 60kHz noise in the home. For instance if I have a fan running to cool things in my shack then my WWVB clocks will not sync successfully.
I hope Nick Sayer is reading this and getting the idea to make a GPS to WWVB timecode radio transmitter, clever gent that he is. :-)
Best Wishes,
Craig
KI7CRA
On Aug 11, 2018, at 7:48 PM, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com wrote:
I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something like
"shutting down
the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include the
whole
enchilada.
For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go to
battery-
backed AC power. But not so good for wristwatches, where the expectation
is to
run at uW power levels. I for one would be very irritated at having to
take my watch
off my wrist and put it on a charging stand every night. So if this
shutdown comes
to pass, I'll be looking for an inexpensive GPS-to-WWVB converter, or at
least
plans for building one.
Dana
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the USA
down technically. Denying global warming, shutting off time signals, and
so on, is great stuff.
On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq kb8tq@n1k.org
wrote:
Hi
One would guess that stopping WWVB (and killing mom and pop’s “atomic
clocks”) would not be a reasonable thing to do.
It gets a lot of voters mad. I doubt that very many voters (percentage
wise) would notice WWV and WWVH going away ….
Bob
On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:00 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:
On 8/10/18 12:45 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote:
I'd say it does get more detailed, with the $49M in cuts described
generally in groups here:
request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
One item: "-$6.3 million supporting fundamental measurement
dissemination, including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in Colorado
and Hawaii"
I wonder if that's WWVB, or WWV & WWVH
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Like all of you I have a few wwvb clocks that work pretty well here in
Boston.
Certainly have written enough wwvb stuff and created various wwvb projects
that I will have to get back into it again.
I did look at the cron-verter. Have to say it has a lot of nice features.
Unfortunately it hasn't been available for a year or so. (Getting lazy)
The good news is the AM modulation of wwb is very easy to create.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com
wrote:
I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something like
"shutting down
the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include the
whole
enchilada.
For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go to
battery-
backed AC power. But not so good for wristwatches, where the expectation
is to
run at uW power levels. I for one would be very irritated at having to
take my watch
off my wrist and put it on a charging stand every night. So if this
shutdown comes
to pass, I'll be looking for an inexpensive GPS-to-WWVB converter, or at
least
plans for building one.
Dana
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the USA
down technically. Denying global warming, shutting off time signals, and
so on, is great stuff.
On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq <
wrote:
Hi
One would guess that stopping WWVB (and killing mom and pop’s “atomic
clocks”) would not be a reasonable thing to do.
It gets a lot of voters mad. I doubt that very many voters (percentage
wise) would notice WWV and WWVH going away ….
Bob
On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:00 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:
On 8/10/18 12:45 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote:
I'd say it does get more detailed, with the $49M in cuts described
generally in groups here:
request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
One item: "-$6.3 million supporting fundamental measurement
dissemination, including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in Colorado
and Hawaii"
I wonder if that's WWVB, or WWV & WWVH
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Just a word: When budget cuts are announced, the agencies put the most
valued "stuff" to be cut first, such as the Washington monument, etc.
This is a recognized ploy. When the dust settles, all may be well. . .
Don
On 2018-08-12 12:20, paul swed wrote:
Like all of you I have a few wwvb clocks that work pretty well here in
Boston.
Certainly have written enough wwvb stuff and created various wwvb
projects
that I will have to get back into it again.
I did look at the cron-verter. Have to say it has a lot of nice
features.
Unfortunately it hasn't been available for a year or so. (Getting lazy)
The good news is the AM modulation of wwb is very easy to create.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com
wrote:
I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something
like
"shutting down
the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include
the
whole
enchilada.
For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go
to
battery-
backed AC power. But not so good for wristwatches, where the
expectation
is to
run at uW power levels. I for one would be very irritated at having
to
take my watch
off my wrist and put it on a charging stand every night. So if this
shutdown comes
to pass, I'll be looking for an inexpensive GPS-to-WWVB converter, or
at
least
plans for building one.
Dana
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the USA
down technically. Denying global warming, shutting off time signals, and
so on, is great stuff.
On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq <
wrote:
Hi
One would guess that stopping WWVB (and killing mom and pop’s “atomic
clocks”) would not be a reasonable thing to do.
It gets a lot of voters mad. I doubt that very many voters (percentage
wise) would notice WWV and WWVH going away ….
Bob
On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:00 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:
On 8/10/18 12:45 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote:
I'd say it does get more detailed, with the $49M in cuts described
generally in groups here:
request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
One item: "-$6.3 million supporting fundamental measurement
dissemination, including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in Colorado
and Hawaii"
I wonder if that's WWVB, or WWV & WWVH
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On 2018-08-12 08:29, Scott McGrath wrote:
And with dependence on GPS we have created a serious vulnerability as
too many critical pieces of infrastructure are dependent on a SINGLE
precision timing and positioning system.
I can use a sextant and have a copy of Bowditch. But they only work
on clear days and nights.
if GPS goes down for any reason. Whats the backup solution?
On Aug 10, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Lester Veenstra m0ycm@veenstras.com
wrote:
Used to work with Wayne on two time transfer via satellite
Great guy
Lester B Veenstra K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y
lester@veenstras.com
Physical and US Postal Addresses
5 Shrine Club Drive (Physical)
HC84 452 Stable Ln (RFD USPS Mail)
Keyser WV 26726
GPS: 39.336826 N 78.982287 W (Google)
GPS: 39.33682 N 78.9823741 W (GPSDO)
Telephones:
Home: +1-304-289-6057
US cell +1-304-790-9192
Jamaica cell: +1-876-456-8898
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of
Tom
Van Baak
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:19 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
Tim,
Thanks for posting that photo. That space age 1976 GOES clock caught
our
eyes when the paper came out in 2005 (see also pages 11, 12, 13):
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2013.pdf
There was quite a bit of traffic on time-nuts around 2005 when the GOES
satellite time service was turned off (and back on, and off, and on,
and
finally off for good). That left many of us with piles of 468 MHz GOES
receivers, antennae, clocks and led to efforts to re-create the RF
signals
in-home so that GOES clocks would still work. There was even a
commercial
G2G (GPS to GOES) translator.
Anyway, I asked around about that one-off bicentennial clock in the
photo
and neither the authors, NIST, or Smithsonian knows where it ended up.
There's tons of information on the GOES satellite system and GOES
clocks in
the NIST T&F archives:
https://tf.nist.gov/general/publications.htm
Best to search title for GOES, or search author for Hanson. It's a
fascinating glimpse into the recent past. Yes, it's sad that GOES (and
Omega, and Loran-C) aren't operational anymore, but GPS does such a
better
job. Plus we now have cable, WiFi, cell phones, the internet, Iridium,
etc.
If you wanted to build your own Bicentennial GOES Clock, the design was
published, including source code -- for its i4004 (!!) CPU. If you have
even
one minute to spare, see attached image and click on these two PDF's:
"Satellite Controlled Digital Clock System (patent)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1791.pdf
"A Satellite-Controlled Digital Clock (NBS TN-681)"
https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/452.pdf
/tvb
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To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Bicentennial GOES satellite clock
See the groovy picture at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4847573/figure/f9-j110-2lom/
If anyone knows the whereabouts or history of the bicentennial GOES
time
clock display, please let me know!
Tim N3QE
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Yep, just like "government shutdowns" where all non-essential people stay home.
(I always wondered why, it they are non-essential they are on the payroll in the
first place, but what do I know, I'm just a taxpayer.) But what gets shut down
first are things like National Parks, which have immediate effect on lots of people.
What are the effects on the budget of running WWV/WWVB? The electric bill I
would guess. When John Q. Public's "atomic clock" stops working, they'll find a
way to pay the bill.
Wes
On 8/12/2018 11:58 AM, djl wrote:
Just a word: When budget cuts are announced, the agencies put the most
valued "stuff" to be cut first, such as the Washington monument, etc. This is
a recognized ploy. When the dust settles, all may be well. . .
Don
Well if the old LF and HF signals go away I am on for yet another wwvb
project and wwv. What the heck.
Creating a AM wwvb is really pretty easy and in fact I have done that.
Can't remember what code that was.
Pretty sure it was basic on SXb2. But the good news is the old BPSK code
isn't needed so it really becomes easy.
The BPSK coder was seriously complicated. (That was the cheatin dePSKr)
So it would be GPS to WWVB code. Have to think about the DST thing. Thats
always a bit messy.
Lastly while I am at it there would be a 5 and 10 MHz wwv simulator at
least ticks and minute tone. Looked at voice and thats a bit of a mess.
They seem to just say numbers. Not sure there are modules that say time
from my bit of research.
Of course have to be careful with transmission levels.... Looks like its
time yo look up fcc part 97.
Things to ponder.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Wes wes@triconet.org wrote:
Yep, just like "government shutdowns" where all non-essential people stay
home. (I always wondered why, it they are non-essential they are on the
payroll in the first place, but what do I know, I'm just a taxpayer.) But
what gets shut down first are things like National Parks, which have
immediate effect on lots of people.
What are the effects on the budget of running WWV/WWVB? The electric bill
I would guess. When John Q. Public's "atomic clock" stops working, they'll
find a way to pay the bill.
Wes
On 8/12/2018 11:58 AM, djl wrote:
Just a word: When budget cuts are announced, the agencies put the most
valued "stuff" to be cut first, such as the Washington monument, etc. This
is a recognized ploy. When the dust settles, all may be well. . .
Don
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I hope that defunding is just a ploy and things will remain on the air. I
am concerned this is starting to sound like 2010 when DHS/USCG took eLoran
off the air in the states. This was one of the few things that totally
dismayed me about the Obama administration.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 2:59 PM djl djl@montana.com wrote:
Just a word: When budget cuts are announced, the agencies put the most
valued "stuff" to be cut first, such as the Washington monument, etc.
This is a recognized ploy. When the dust settles, all may be well. . .
Don
On 2018-08-12 12:20, paul swed wrote:
Like all of you I have a few wwvb clocks that work pretty well here in
Boston.
Certainly have written enough wwvb stuff and created various wwvb
projects
that I will have to get back into it again.
I did look at the cron-verter. Have to say it has a lot of nice
features.
Unfortunately it hasn't been available for a year or so. (Getting lazy)
The good news is the AM modulation of wwb is very easy to create.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com
wrote:
I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something
like
"shutting down
the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include
the
whole
enchilada.
For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go
to
battery-
backed AC power. But not so good for wristwatches, where the
expectation
is to
run at uW power levels. I for one would be very irritated at having
to
take my watch
off my wrist and put it on a charging stand every night. So if this
shutdown comes
to pass, I'll be looking for an inexpensive GPS-to-WWVB converter, or
at
least
plans for building one.
Dana
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the
USA
down technically. Denying global warming, shutting off time signals,
and
so on, is great stuff.
On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq <
wrote:
Hi
One would guess that stopping WWVB (and killing mom and pop’s
“atomic
clocks”) would not be a reasonable thing to do.
It gets a lot of voters mad. I doubt that very many voters (percentage
wise) would notice WWV and WWVH going away ….
Bob
On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:00 PM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:
On 8/10/18 12:45 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote:
I'd say it does get more detailed, with the $49M in cuts described
generally in groups here:
request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
One item: "-$6.3 million supporting fundamental measurement
dissemination, including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in
Colorado
and Hawaii"
I wonder if that's WWVB, or WWV & WWVH
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