TWL: RE: Re: Strange concepts regarding WIFI
Hi Ben:
You miss my point.
If you want to offer WIFI for all, that's great. I applaud your
generosity. I like the concept.
If I do not want to offer my WIFI service to all, do I have a reasonable
right to expect that you would honor my wishes? Or do you feel you
would still have a right to use my system?
If I live in a nice but remote house on the point and I set up a WIFI
rather than wire my house, should I have to worry about that boat in the
bay hijacking my network?
My point is that there seems to be a perception that connecting to a
non-public WIFI point, because the owner is unaware of security and
inexperienced in setting up protections, is the same argument as saying
that burglarizing a house w/o a burglar alarm is considered fair game
for anyone who encounters it.
Joe Engel
Portland, OR
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Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:53 AM
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Subject: TWL: Re: Strange concepts regarding WIFI
Joe
I don't see anything weird in offering open wi-fi, as long as it is a
lucid
choice. I just let you use the road, not my house! An open wi-fi network
around my office is my small contribution to an open world-wide
communication. And whatever you try, you won't have access to my
computer
and hard disk.
It's like offering free drinkable water in shopping centers or easy
access
to the rest rooms. Somebody paid for the water network and sewage
system,
right? But you still can stop almost anywhere for "emergencies" with a
smile
and a welcome.
Do we have to make a buck with every service provided? What's going to
be
next? A Pay-Pal system for TWL members giving free advice on this list?
Ben
The idea seems to be that it is fair game to hijack an open WIFI
connection
any time you can.
I'm not naove on this subject. I know there are folks who drive
around in
cars looking for open WIFI and websites dedicated to publishing this
kind
of
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Per Joe Engel:
If you want to offer WIFI for all, that's great. I applaud your
generosity. I like the concept.
If I do not want to offer my WIFI service to all, do I have a reasonable
right to expect that you would honor my wishes? Or do you feel you
would still have a right to use my system?
The problem I have is, how do I know whether a WIFI service is offering me
access or not? My Linksys card only tells me the strength of WIFI's in the
neighborhood of my anchorage, it does not tell me how to contact the
provider, and it does not tell me whether the provider wants me to hook in
or not.
I believe the only way I know that the service is not meant for me is if the
provider has it protected. Is there another way? If I pull into Baltimore's
Inner Harbor and find the service Baltimore is providing to boaters and
others, how do I find out that I am permitted?
If the provider doesn't want me connected to his service, say so, and
believe me I will pass.
-- Jim
Jim & Rita Ague
M/V Derreen, Monk 36
Let's see... you leave a $20 bill out on the dock box for storage. You don't
wish anyone to pick it up. When somebody comes across it in the middle of
the night and takes it, you feel that's inappropriate? Leave your wallet out
on the hood of your car in the parking lot of a mall and see what happens.
When it's stolen, call the police and see what they say. Your wishes don't
count for much. I wish for world peace too. This is the real world.
Keith
__
Drive defensively. Buy a tank.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Engel" joe@jre.com
If I do not want to offer my WIFI service to all, do I have a reasonable
right to expect that you would honor my wishes?
At 03:59 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote:
Let's see... you leave a $20 bill out on the dock box for storage. You don't
wish anyone to pick it up.
Taking a bit of bandwidth is even less like stealing than taking the twenty
dollar bill. If you take the bill, I am twenty dollars poorer. If you
take my "bandwidth", I am not even likely to know the difference.
Best,
Steve
Steve Dubnoff
1966 Willard 47' Dover Pilothouse
sdubnoff@circlesys.com
Seems pretty simple to me, if the provider doesn't want others to use
his/her service, he will protect it with security measures. If he doesn't,
it's free game for anyone within range.
Bob Peterson
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Subject: TWL: RE: RE: Re: Strange concepts regarding WIFI
Per Joe Engel:
If you want to offer WIFI for all, that's great. I applaud your generosity.
I like the concept.
If I do not want to offer my WIFI service to all, do I have a reasonable
right to expect that you would honor my wishes? Or do you feel you would
still have a right to use my system?
The problem I have is, how do I know whether a WIFI service is offering me
access or not? My Linksys card only tells me the strength of WIFI's in the
neighborhood of my anchorage, it does not tell me how to contact the
provider, and it does not tell me whether the provider wants me to hook in
or not.