IMO this trend is a two edged sword:
 I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it
 becomming
 a lower-case noun.
 OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to
 become
 "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws.
 FWIW,
 -John
 ===============

 in lower

 coined

 1950's

 acronym.

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 wrote:

 he

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As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood: "The term RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for radio detection and ranging." David At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote: IMO this trend is a two edged sword: I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it becomming a lower-case noun. OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to become "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws. FWIW, -John =============== > The Oxford dictionary has "radar", "loran" and "scuba" all listed in lower > case. > > Also according to them "radar" never was an acronym. It is a coined > word. Technically to be an acronym the it must be spelled by the > first letter of several other words. "SCUBA" is an acronym but > "scuba" is now a common English word that has displaced the old 1950's > vintage "SCUBA" in modern usage. But "radar" was never an acronym. > > The Oxford English Dictionary takes the view that the English > language changes with time. You can disagree. Many people do and > claim English has fixed rules that never change but if you do then you > will have to pick a date for when it was "correct" and then explain > how it could be incorrect before that date. > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> Indeed. But thats the way it goes. >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> wrote: >> >>> There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. >>> >>> They are BOTH acronyms. >>> >>> -John >>> >>> ================= >>> >>> >>> > There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain he >>> meant >>> > Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... But then, >>> > you already knew that, and were just trying to stir things up. >>> > >>> > -Chuck Harris >>> > >>> > Max Robinson wrote: >>> >> He didn't say Loran C he said Loran. That is the old system that >>> used >>> >> to operate just above the AM broadcast band and took away most of >>> the >>> >> 160 meter ham band. That hasn't been around for decades. I don't >>> think >>> >> there is a version of it operating anywhere in the world. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> > To unsubscribe, go to >>> > [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> > and follow the instructions there. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > ===== > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [7]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 7. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

OED be damned! I'm not going to change the name of one of my Yahoo Groups from Vintage-Military-RADAR So there ! :) -Jo0hn ================== > As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood: &quot;The term > RADAR was coined in 1940 by the U.S. Navy as an acronym for radio > detection and ranging.&quot; > > David > > At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote: > IMO this trend is a two edged sword: > > I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it > becomming > a lower-case noun. > > OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to become > &quot;part of the furniture&quot;, like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws. > > FWIW, > > -John > > =============== > > > > The Oxford dictionary has &quot;radar&quot;, &quot;loran&quot; and > &quot;scuba&quot; all listed in lower > > case. > > > > Also according to them &quot;radar&quot; never was an acronym. It is a > coined > > word. Technically to be an acronym the it must be spelled by the > > first letter of several other words. &quot;SCUBA&quot; is an acronym > but > > &quot;scuba&quot; is now a common English word that has displaced the > old 1950's > > vintage &quot;SCUBA&quot; in modern usage. But &quot;radar&quot; was > never an acronym. > > > > The Oxford English Dictionary takes the view that the English > > language changes with time. You can disagree. Many people do and > > claim English has fixed rules that never change but if you do then you > > will have to pick a date for when it was &quot;correct&quot; and then > explain > > how it could be incorrect before that date. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed wrote: > >> Indeed. But thats the way it goes. > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: > >> > >>> There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. > >>> > >>> They are BOTH acronyms. > >>> > >>> -John > >>> > >>> ================= > >>> > >>> > >>> > There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain he > >>> meant > >>> > Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... But > then, > >>> > you already knew that, and were just trying to stir things up. > >>> > > >>> > -Chuck Harris > >>> > > >>> > Max Robinson wrote: > >>> >> He didn't say Loran C he said Loran. That is the old system that > >>> used > >>> >> to operate just above the AM broadcast band and took away most of > >>> the > >>> >> 160 meter ham band. That hasn't been around for decades. I don't > >>> think > >>> >> there is a version of it operating anywhere in the world. > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >>> > To unsubscribe, go to > >>> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> > and follow the instructions there. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> and follow the instructions there. > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ===== > > Chris Albertson > > Redondo Beach, California > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Well I guess we are getting "nuts" about this. Yes OED says "radar orig. U.S. [f. radio detection and ranging.]" but that does not mean it is an acronym. OED reserves the term "acronym" for words made using only the fist letter of each description word. "radar" uses the first two letters from "radio" and so OED uses only the "f." I have the full version of OED at home. I'll try to look it up. I bet they have a page length article on "radar". The on-line version is very slimmed down On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jean-Louis Noel <jln@stben.net> wrote: > Hi, > > From: "Chris Albertson" <albertson.chris@gmail.com> > >> Also according to them "radar" never was an acronym. > > OED says: radar orig. U.S. [f. radio detection and ranging.] > > Bye, > Jean-Louis > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- ===== Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California

 IMO this trend is a two edged sword:
 I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it
 becomming
 a lower-case noun.
 OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to
 become
 "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws.
 FWIW,
 -John
 ===============

 in lower

 coined

 1950's

 acronym.

 and

 you

 explain

 wrote:

 wrote:

 he

 But then,

 that

 most of

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I there was me thinking that we invented RADAR...... Rob (in UK) Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of David McGaw Sent: 20 December 2010 8:49 PM To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran? As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood: "The term RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for radio detection and ranging." David At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote: IMO this trend is a two edged sword: I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it becomming a lower-case noun. OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to become "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws. FWIW, -John =============== > The Oxford dictionary has "radar", "loran" and "scuba" all listed in lower > case. > > Also according to them "radar" never was an acronym. It is a coined > word. Technically to be an acronym the it must be spelled by the > first letter of several other words. "SCUBA" is an acronym but > "scuba" is now a common English word that has displaced the old 1950's > vintage "SCUBA" in modern usage. But "radar" was never an acronym. > > The Oxford English Dictionary takes the view that the English > language changes with time. You can disagree. Many people do and > claim English has fixed rules that never change but if you do then you > will have to pick a date for when it was "correct" and then explain > how it could be incorrect before that date. > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> Indeed. But thats the way it goes. >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> wrote: >> >>> There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. >>> >>> They are BOTH acronyms. >>> >>> -John >>> >>> ================= >>> >>> >>> > There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain he >>> meant >>> > Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... But then, >>> > you already knew that, and were just trying to stir things up. >>> > >>> > -Chuck Harris >>> > >>> > Max Robinson wrote: >>> >> He didn't say Loran C he said Loran. That is the old system that >>> used >>> >> to operate just above the AM broadcast band and took away most of >>> the >>> >> 160 meter ham band. That hasn't been around for decades. I don't >>> think >>> >> there is a version of it operating anywhere in the world. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> > To unsubscribe, go to >>> > [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> > and follow the instructions there. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > > -- > ===== > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [7]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts 7. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Hi, From: "Chris Albertson" <albertson.chris@gmail.com> > Well I guess we are getting "nuts" about this. Yes! > I have the full version of OED at home. It is from the paper version! First usage on the 18th of November 1941 by the N.Y. Times. It was written 'Radar'. > I bet they have a page length article on "radar". Yes, almost. Bye, Jean-Louis

As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood:  "The term
RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for radio
detection and ranging."
David
At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote:

  IMO this trend is a two edged sword:
  I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it
  becomming
  a lower-case noun.
  OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to
  become
  "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws.
  FWIW,
  -John
  ===============

  in lower

  coined

  1950's

  acronym.

  and

  you

  explain

  wrote:

  wrote:

  he

  But then,

  that

  most of

  don't

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Hi Rob no we invented "RDF" (or Radio Location)and they called it Radar :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Kimberley" <rk@timing-consultants.com> To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran? > I there was me thinking that we invented RADAR...... > > Rob (in UK) Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of David McGaw > Sent: 20 December 2010 8:49 PM > To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran? > > As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood: "The term > RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for radio > detection and ranging." > David > At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote: > > IMO this trend is a two edged sword: > I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it > becomming > a lower-case noun. > OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to > become > "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws. > FWIW, > -John > =============== > > The Oxford dictionary has "radar", "loran" and "scuba" all listed > in lower > > case. > > > > Also according to them "radar" never was an acronym. It is a > coined > > word. Technically to be an acronym the it must be spelled by the > > first letter of several other words. "SCUBA" is an acronym but > > "scuba" is now a common English word that has displaced the old > 1950's > > vintage "SCUBA" in modern usage. But "radar" was never an > acronym. > > > > The Oxford English Dictionary takes the view that the English > > language changes with time. You can disagree. Many people do > and > > claim English has fixed rules that never change but if you do then > you > > will have to pick a date for when it was "correct" and then > explain > > how it could be incorrect before that date. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Indeed. But thats the way it goes. > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. > >>> > >>> They are BOTH acronyms. > >>> > >>> -John > >>> > >>> ================= > >>> > >>> > >>> > There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain > he > >>> meant > >>> > Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... > But then, > >>> > you already knew that, and were just trying to stir things up. > >>> > > >>> > -Chuck Harris > >>> > > >>> > Max Robinson wrote: > >>> >> He didn't say Loran C he said Loran. That is the old system > that > >>> used > >>> >> to operate just above the AM broadcast band and took away > most of > >>> the > >>> >> 160 meter ham band. That hasn't been around for decades. I > don't > >>> think > >>> >> there is a version of it operating anywhere in the world. > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >>> > To unsubscribe, go to > >>> > [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> > and follow the instructions there. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > >>> [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> and follow the instructions there. > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to > >> [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ===== > > Chris Albertson > > Redondo Beach, California > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > [7]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > References > > 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy > 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism > 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > 7. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood:  "The term
RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for

detection and ranging."
David
At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote:

  IMO this trend is a two edged sword:
  I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it
  becomming
  a lower-case noun.
  OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to
  become
  "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws.
  FWIW,
  -John
  ===============

  in lower

  coined

  1950's

  acronym.

  and

  you

  explain

  wrote:

  wrote:

  he

  But then,

  that

  most of

  don't

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Well to be honest when I typed loran it was simply because I felt like it. It was more important to communicate the fact that I couldn't here and european stations in the northeast us. Thats all that mattered. Caps or lowercase simply no longer matters to me on the dead us service. So getting back at it I will fire up a different antenna and preamp and give it one more shot. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi Rob no we invented "RDF" (or Radio Location)and they called it Radar > :-)) > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Kimberley" <rk@timing-consultants.com> > To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran? > > > > I there was me thinking that we invented RADAR...... > > > > Rob (in UK) Kimberley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of David McGaw > > Sent: 20 December 2010 8:49 PM > > To: jfor@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran? > > > > As written in Wikipedia and as I have always understood: "The term > > RADAR was coined in 1940 by the [1]U.S. Navy as an [2]acronym for > radio > > detection and ranging." > > David > > At 01:04 PM 12/20/2010, you wrote: > > > > IMO this trend is a two edged sword: > > I don't like to see the historical aspect of the name lost by it > > becomming > > a lower-case noun. > > OTOH, it's been said that the ultimate tribute in Physics is to > > become > > "part of the furniture", like Newton's or Maxwell's Laws. > > FWIW, > > -John > > =============== > > > The Oxford dictionary has "radar", "loran" and "scuba" all listed > > in lower > > > case. > > > > > > Also according to them "radar" never was an acronym. It is a > > coined > > > word. Technically to be an acronym the it must be spelled by the > > > first letter of several other words. "SCUBA" is an acronym but > > > "scuba" is now a common English word that has displaced the old > > 1950's > > > vintage "SCUBA" in modern usage. But "radar" was never an > > acronym. > > > > > > The Oxford English Dictionary takes the view that the English > > > language changes with time. You can disagree. Many people do > > and > > > claim English has fixed rules that never change but if you do then > > you > > > will have to pick a date for when it was "correct" and then > > explain > > > how it could be incorrect before that date. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> Indeed. But thats the way it goes. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor@quik.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. > > >>> > > >>> They are BOTH acronyms. > > >>> > > >>> -John > > >>> > > >>> ================= > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain > > he > > >>> meant > > >>> > Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... > > But then, > > >>> > you already knew that, and were just trying to stir things up. > > >>> > > > >>> > -Chuck Harris > > >>> > > > >>> > Max Robinson wrote: > > >>> >> He didn't say Loran C he said Loran. That is the old system > > that > > >>> used > > >>> >> to operate just above the AM broadcast band and took away > > most of > > >>> the > > >>> >> 160 meter ham band. That hasn't been around for decades. I > > don't > > >>> think > > >>> >> there is a version of it operating anywhere in the world. > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > >>> > To unsubscribe, go to > > >>> > [3]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >>> > and follow the instructions there. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > > >>> [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >>> and follow the instructions there. > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > >> To unsubscribe, go to > > >> [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > >> and follow the instructions there. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ===== > > > Chris Albertson > > > Redondo Beach, California > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > [7]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > References > > > > 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy > > 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism > > 3. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > 7. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Eiði, GRI=9007
Lessay, GRI=6731
Sylt, GRI=7499
Værlandet, GRI=7001

In message <AANLkTi=KYamMSdN7KoMCPBs8iGw=EXzxm7NQ767-+TOc@mail.gmail.com>, paul swed writes: >Well to be honest when I typed loran it was simply because I felt like it. >It was more important to communicate the fact that I couldn't here and >european stations in the northeast us. Thats all that mattered. Caps or >lowercase simply no longer matters to me on the dead us service. >So getting back at it I will fire up a different antenna and preamp and give >it one more shot. Make sure you listen on the correct GRI's, some tables still list the long abandoned 3-digit USCG chains, rather than the 4-digit NELS chains: Eiði, GRI=9007 Lessay, GRI=6731 Sylt, GRI=7499 Værlandet, GRI=7001 For what it's worth, I have never been able to more than barely detect the 9960 chain from here in Denmark, and that was only after a major DSP exercise... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

    Eiği, GRI=9007
    Lessay, GRI=6731
    Sylt, GRI=7499
    Værlandet, GRI=7001

Thanks Poul will do its long enough past sunset to start hunting. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>wrote: > In message <AANLkTi=KYamMSdN7KoMCPBs8iGw=EXzxm7NQ767-+TOc@mail.gmail.com<EXzxm7NQ767-%2BTOc@mail.gmail.com>>, > paul > swed writes: > > >Well to be honest when I typed loran it was simply because I felt like it. > >It was more important to communicate the fact that I couldn't here and > >european stations in the northeast us. Thats all that mattered. Caps or > >lowercase simply no longer matters to me on the dead us service. > >So getting back at it I will fire up a different antenna and preamp and > give > >it one more shot. > > Make sure you listen on the correct GRI's, some tables still list the > long abandoned 3-digit USCG chains, rather than the 4-digit NELS chains: > > Eiği, GRI=9007 > Lessay, GRI=6731 > Sylt, GRI=7499 > Værlandet, GRI=7001 > > For what it's worth, I have never been able to more than barely detect > the 9960 chain from here in Denmark, and that was only after a major > DSP exercise... > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

    Eiği, GRI=9007
    Lessay, GRI=6731
    Sylt, GRI=7499
    Værlandet, GRI=7001

Interesting Just barely I may be seeing several chains on the east coast of the US near Boston. I am using a austron 2100 and a 2100F. Definitely see it trying to lock and its does go into settle mode. But I am afraid I may have some nasty switching power supply of some sort nearby. I see a bursting noise signal semi synchronous at 100 KC. Never seen this before. I seem to see 9007 and 6731 the best. 7499 nothing and would say 7001 quite weak. May have to go to the older Austron 2000c and take a look. That gives me much more flexibility in control to confirm that I can see the signals. Antenna is a Loran preamplified antenna (No idea the model hamfest stuff) with a fiber glass whip 7' tall wound with hundreds of turns of #26 gauge wire as a single layer. Approx 6 ft off the ground. Regards Paul WB8TSL 2010/12/20 paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> > Thanks Poul will do its long enough past sunset to start hunting. > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>wrote: > >> In message <AANLkTi=KYamMSdN7KoMCPBs8iGw=EXzxm7NQ767-+TOc@mail.gmail.com<EXzxm7NQ767-%2BTOc@mail.gmail.com>>, >> paul >> swed writes: >> >> >Well to be honest when I typed loran it was simply because I felt like >> it. >> >It was more important to communicate the fact that I couldn't here and >> >european stations in the northeast us. Thats all that mattered. Caps or >> >lowercase simply no longer matters to me on the dead us service. >> >So getting back at it I will fire up a different antenna and preamp and >> give >> >it one more shot. >> >> Make sure you listen on the correct GRI's, some tables still list the >> long abandoned 3-digit USCG chains, rather than the 4-digit NELS chains: >> >> Eiği, GRI=9007 >> Lessay, GRI=6731 >> Sylt, GRI=7499 >> Værlandet, GRI=7001 >> >> For what it's worth, I have never been able to more than barely detect >> the 9960 chain from here in Denmark, and that was only after a major >> DSP exercise... >> >> Poul-Henning >> >> -- >> Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >> phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >> FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by >> incompetence. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > >