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Elpromatime (Was Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 191, Issue 28)

DB
Dave B
Sun, Jun 28, 2020 12:00 PM

A funny looking "SMA" ended cable....

https://elpromatime.com/portfolio_page/time-server-nts-pico/  (Scroll down.)

Also, has anyone tried this?  (An alternative to Meinberg on Windows
perhaps...)

https://elpromatime.com/downloads/    I'd take a look, but I don't run
Windows here any more.

Cheers n beers.

Dave G8KBV


On 28/06/2020 12:44, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com wrote:

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:32:49 -0700
From: Tom Van Baak tvb@LeapSecond.com
To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators
Message-ID: e4f6a47c-9963-6414-6c57-8aa199acbcf2@LeapSecond.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

About slabs and stability... Around the world there must be a hundred
precision time labs, including official NMI (National Metrology
Institute) labs that contribute to the calculation of UTC itself. You
run into photos of these labs and their T&F gear on the web all the time
when you search for time nutty stuff. Those of us with home labs -- even
if just a few vintage frequency standards -- can relate.

Anyone, one of my favorite lab photos is from VSL, the Dutch Metrology
Institute. Photo attached. [1]

Spend time time pan/zooming around the gear in the photo. The usual
suspects: hp 105 quartz; TimeTech (I think); lots of SDI
(Spectradynamics); also Truetime or Symmetricom stuff; maybe that's an
old Tracor/Fluke VLF receiver on the far right (?); and of course lots
of Stanford Research SR620 counters, the TIC still used by almost every
time lab.

But what really caught my eye was not just the four hp 5071A in the
foreground but how they are mounted -- on top of massive granite blocks!

The answer is [42]. In this case the question is how many cm wide is a
5071A cesium clock? That means the scale of the 1600x1200 JPG is about
1.5 mm per pixel, which implies the blocks are exactly 50x50x40 cm.
That's nearly half a ton of mass. Note the unknown mystery support
technique underneath. Either they had spare black granite blocks lying
around their office that looked really cool or they put some thought
into vibration isolation of their clocks. Still, tell me more about
inner tubes.

I personally don't know the background of this setup. If you have VSL or
.NL connections please let us know. I remember when I first talked with
them about their lab many years ago, the UTC(VSL) BIPM stability numbers
seemed unusually good to me for "a national lab with only 4 cesium
clocks" so the granite blocks left a heavy impression on me.

Anyway, for those of you looking for maximum quartz oscillator /
frequency standard stability and vibration isolation, maybe the granite
block isolation idea is worth looking into. I know Michael mentioned
space constraints for his BVA so this rock solid slab solution might not
help him.

/tvb

[1] I can't find the original vsl.nl web photo that I remember. But a
recent one like it is:

https://elpromatime.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/VSL.jpg , via:

https://elpromatime.com/portfolio_page/time-server-nts9000 , via:

many google image searches for words including: VSL dutch metrology .nl
caesium 5071a clocks UTC BIPM

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A funny looking "SMA" ended cable.... https://elpromatime.com/portfolio_page/time-server-nts-pico/  (Scroll down.) Also, has anyone tried this?  (An alternative to Meinberg on Windows perhaps...) https://elpromatime.com/downloads/    I'd take a look, but I don't run Windows here any more. Cheers n beers. Dave G8KBV ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 28/06/2020 12:44, time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:32:49 -0700 > From: Tom Van Baak <tvb@LeapSecond.com> > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators > Message-ID: <e4f6a47c-9963-6414-6c57-8aa199acbcf2@LeapSecond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > About slabs and stability... Around the world there must be a hundred > precision time labs, including official NMI (National Metrology > Institute) labs that contribute to the calculation of UTC itself. You > run into photos of these labs and their T&F gear on the web all the time > when you search for time nutty stuff. Those of us with home labs -- even > if just a few vintage frequency standards -- can relate. > > Anyone, one of my favorite lab photos is from VSL, the Dutch Metrology > Institute. Photo attached. [1] > > Spend time time pan/zooming around the gear in the photo. The usual > suspects: hp 105 quartz; TimeTech (I think); lots of SDI > (Spectradynamics); also Truetime or Symmetricom stuff; maybe that's an > old Tracor/Fluke VLF receiver on the far right (?); and of course lots > of Stanford Research SR620 counters, the TIC still used by almost every > time lab. > > But what really caught my eye was not just the four hp 5071A in the > foreground but *how they are mounted* -- on top of massive granite blocks! > > The answer is [42]. In this case the question is how many cm wide is a > 5071A cesium clock? That means the scale of the 1600x1200 JPG is about > 1.5 mm per pixel, which implies the blocks are exactly 50x50x40 cm. > That's nearly half a ton of mass. Note the unknown mystery support > technique underneath. Either they had spare black granite blocks lying > around their office that looked really cool or they put some thought > into vibration isolation of their clocks. Still, tell me more about > inner tubes. > > I personally don't know the background of this setup. If you have VSL or > .NL connections please let us know. I remember when I first talked with > them about their lab many years ago, the UTC(VSL) BIPM stability numbers > seemed unusually good to me for "a national lab with only 4 cesium > clocks" so the granite blocks left a heavy impression on me. > > Anyway, for those of you looking for maximum quartz oscillator / > frequency standard stability and vibration isolation, maybe the granite > block isolation idea is worth looking into. I know Michael mentioned > space constraints for his BVA so this rock solid slab solution might not > help him. > > /tvb > > [1] I can't find the original vsl.nl web photo that I remember. But a > recent one like it is: > > https://elpromatime.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/VSL.jpg , via: > > https://elpromatime.com/portfolio_page/time-server-nts9000 , via: > > many google image searches for words including: VSL dutch metrology .nl > caesium 5071a clocks UTC BIPM > > -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:
DJ
David J Taylor
Sun, Jun 28, 2020 1:58 PM

From: Dave B via time-nuts
[]
Also, has anyone tried this?  (An alternative to Meinberg on Windows
perhaps...)

https://elpromatime.com/downloads/    I'd take a look, but I don't run
Windows here any more.

Cheers n beers.
Dave G8KBV

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Dave,

It's the same version level as Meinberg (both one release out of date), and
as Meinberg's compilation of the port works I don't see any reason to
change.  Make me wonder why they are bringing out their version.

73,
David GM8ARV

SatSignal Software - Quality software for you
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
Twitter: @gm8arv

From: Dave B via time-nuts [] Also, has anyone tried this? (An alternative to Meinberg on Windows perhaps...) https://elpromatime.com/downloads/ I'd take a look, but I don't run Windows here any more. Cheers n beers. Dave G8KBV ============================================ Dave, It's the same version level as Meinberg (both one release out of date), and as Meinberg's compilation of the port works I don't see any reason to change. Make me wonder why they are bringing out their version. 73, David GM8ARV -- SatSignal Software - Quality software for you Web: https://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv