. Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the dining room where I sat when not busy. I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > > Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't > see how they can sell them at all. Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! > > I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my > bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the > CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It involved > opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of hours, > and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and folding > the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To clean up > the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum > cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and > take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. That is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is fairly harmless. What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint thinner? John -- John DeArmond Tellico Plains, Occupied TN http://www.neon-john.com <-- email from here http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77

ater power consumption overall. >> > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the > dining room where I sat when not busy. > > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > > >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't >> see how they can sell them at all. >> > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! > > >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It involved >> opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of hours, >> and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and folding >> the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To clean up >> the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum >> cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and >> take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. >> > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. > > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. That > is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is > fairly harmless. > > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint thinner? > > John > > > If the intention is to cleanup the mercury rather than just the glass and relatively non toxic phosphor then the cleanup procedure is contrary to the method outlined in: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14605.htm If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. Bruce

iven >> illumination, >> but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent, and the >> net >> result is greater power consumption overall. > > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the > dining room where I sat when not busy. > > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > >> >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't >> see how they can sell them at all. > > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! > >> >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It >> involved >> opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of >> hours, >> and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and >> folding >> the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To >> clean up >> the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh >> vacuum >> cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock >> baggie, and >> take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. > > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. > > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. > That > is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is > fairly harmless. > > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint > thinner? > > John > > > -- > John DeArmond > Tellico Plains, Occupied TN > http://www.neon-john.com <-- email from here > http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net > PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77 > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

power consumption overall. > > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the > dining room where I sat when not busy. Having looked at the circuitry, I can't see any real reason why cycling would be hard on the usual CFL. The filaments glow red the entire time they are on anyway, and the inverter is a simple FET multivibrator. I think the reason people leave them on longer than the equivalent incandescent is CFL's take a while to ramp up to full brilliance, and they reason that at 1/4 the power draw, they are essentially free to run. In any case, I know I leave them on longer than I would if they were instant on... for real, and EPA has noticed that others do the same. > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't >> see how they can sell them at all. > > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! Me? With my chemistry and nuke background? Not likely! I am just making a statement based on my observations of the eco-hysteria the powers that be seem to exhibit. >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It involved >> opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of hours, >> and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and folding >> the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To clean up >> the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum >> cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and >> take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. > > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. That's why I am sharing. > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. That > is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is > fairly harmless. Yes, and no. When mercury hits the ground, it splatters into hundreds of miniballs of mercury. When you walk on them, they further fracture, and by the time you are done, you have increased the surface area of the mini drop of mercury greatly... probably thousands of times. That increases the mercury vapor emitted into the room. Is it harmful? Maybe. Maybe not. > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint thinner? As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a crime. -Chuck Harris

specially if one intends to > repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. > > Bruce I think they might have gotten a little push back from the sheeple if they suggested sprinkling any kind of chemical on Mom's carpet. -Chuck Harris

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n of sulphur. Bruce J. Forster wrote: > It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground powder... > think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. > > -John > > =============== > > >> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

tp://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm > > > It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur. > > Bruce > > J. Forster wrote: >> It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground >> powder... >> think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. >> >> -John >> >> =============== >> >> >>> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >>> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >>> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > >

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